From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 09:26:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA07993 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:26:38 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA07923 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:26:09 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Tue, 21 Nov 95 17:26 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA14577; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:21:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211721.SAA14577@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:21:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511210756.IAA16674@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 21, 95 08:56:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1344 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > i have not yet had a chance to play with a source-routing > > traceroute or to sendmail to myself by way of two sites in, say, > > australia. i have heard horror stories about non-us > > connectivity--several nets in one country reach each other by way of the > > usa. is this really teh case ?? > > Unfortunately, yes. :-( > > At least here, several upcoming providers start with a leased line to > US (or UK in one case) in order to provide their connectivity. > National interconnections often follow years behind. (One of these > providers was able to establish these interconnections meanwhile, at > least to other ones are still being routed via US.) A bit of background: until about a year ago, the only commercial Internet providers were EUNet and Xlink, both *very* expensive (would you believe I used to pag $0.30 per kilobyte for mail?). Now there are some others, noticably MAZ, which are a lot cheaper, though still expensive by US standards (I now pay $13 per megabyte for IP traffic). EUNet and co didn't like these price-breakers, and until recently refused to give them a connection, which is why MAZ went via Pipex and Alternet. Things are happening--I can now connect to EUNet without leaving Germany, but as you can see, DFN is another matter. Greg