From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 10:15:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.nl (smtp2.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399B737B406 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steveo@eircom.net) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (p049.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.200.49]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6OHEYj28592; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:14:34 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:14:32 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: slumos@nevada.edu, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? Message-Id: <20010724191432.4d3f3603.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: <20010723093818.C434-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> References: <200107230634.AIV82906@100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net> <20010723093818.C434-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.99cvs3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:52:49 +0200 (CEST) "A. L. Meyers" wrote: AM> A comparison: AM> Debian GNU/Linux has 3 trees: 1. stable 2. testing 3. unstable RELENG_4_3, RELENG_4, 'Top of Tree' (in CVS terms) security, stable, current (in release name terms) AM> The FreeBSD "stable" appears more comparable a mix of "stable" AM> and "testing". Debian GNU/Linux only release a major "stable" AM> update once yearly, a shorter interval being considered bug AM> churning. Hmm FreeBSD runs a *RELEASE* three times a year, what would be the point of a branch that moves *slower* than releases ? AM> ensure that "stable" means what it says. Do you seriously expect AM> all users to go thru the testing procedures enumerated below? I expect it in commercial environments (Solaris installs get treated this way where I work for example). I don't treat my home systems this way and I accept the risk. AM> Most probably expect such things to be done by developers before AM> new and/or improved code is incorporated into "stable". This an unreasonable expectation, commercial vendors cannot achieve this (note they *never* give access to any development stream, employ testers and still ship bugs) why should open source projects be able to do so much better. (actually they do the -stable tree is at least as good as the 'track the patches' game on any commercial OS). -- Directable Mirrors - A Better Way To Focus The Sun http://www.best.com/~sohara To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message