From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Sep 2 18:51:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561B63C5429 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x742.google.com (mail-qk1-x742.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::742]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BhY1g67yFz43hG for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x742.google.com with SMTP id u3so683313qkd.9 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 11:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YQToYNvRPAu2YX4lreEpR6rjx2BTeyIq1/diTfZHaW0=; b=Jqxg6LZ01F+YSSh0DAx24ETn3VCqI6la0XedweS+hiLI6W5g4hwu3tm3SwXagAKtck JaPq/fZgRVxg4Tf3lNh19y6WFQbiM2uA4WmpxhseSnNxrAQAJzUV2g0buSEZm7VvMgAE 8puDnnJ65yeNGlZLL8lf0pKplFc5jpLCH9mdb/EaViewxcT+o3A7Vyc0wbd3MMGxT1OR 1A0YvaLp3kvN+rEzCPgOshl7SKGIUj8n9arjc3mDjlZfBXPdtdUidhuYaxwZ0k3rGpqL De6ocDyo8D6oLYqLFC+txUKLbv/INu43cA5QuDj7vGc9owjuDlgaDgzLawIjuUPAkaC+ YOdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530mNft1NuWvm939yBcvQztmBWJ34PGWwbGsSkAH7jKN0QRCI4tS nxtCMVFtubcc7sn6MvKBFy4A2tXnv78bS61yQj/gAA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxjzpMVXsFSsX+awCF7M4cAJtm/2D6pntOnPwlv+xwRhUyODf6JWfGW3wFN/wbTDr2xB2yJ3blwvisc7C0TroQ= X-Received: by 2002:a37:8f04:: with SMTP id r4mr8056020qkd.495.1599072678801; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200902045939.GA15897@eureka.lemis.com> <20200902060117.GG53210@home.opsec.eu> <20200902063136.GA47543@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20200902164706.GA49777@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <5c89b4d27281f5dfffc3252a90013b0ac6c763d7.camel@freebsd.org> <5c832482-b2bc-47e4-8762-8f5a886d5f11@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5c832482-b2bc-47e4-8762-8f5a886d5f11@www.fastmail.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:51:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Plans for git (was: Please check the current beta git conversions) To: Dan Langille Cc: Ian Lepore , Steve Kargl , FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BhY1g67yFz43hG X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.976]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.16)[0.163]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.06)[-1.056]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::742:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:51:20 -0000 On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:46 PM Dan Langille wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > Seriously, Warner? > > Yes, seriously. We are adults. Act accordingly. > I agree it was over the top. > Don't be confused. I also thought the message he was replying to was out > of line. > > > I applaud Steve's message as being the first one in this thread that > > has any real value at all. Unlike everyone else, he has clearly seen > > what the basic problem is (zero communications about this impending > > cutover to the people who need to work with it every day), and he > > summarized it in a completely practical way. > > We disagree. The message could have been worded without being negative. > It could have been worded in a way that was actionable. > > This assumption that everyone knows how to use git is mind-boggling. I > > think I installed it once, a few years ago. Then I uninstalled it > > because of how abysmally hard it was to try to learn even a few > > commands to do anything with it. > > No, it's assumed you will learn. I did. We all can. > > Please, we cooperate on this project. We don't attack, and yes, these were > attacks. > > > I guess Steve & I are a couple dinosaurs and the whole rest of the > > freebsd user and committer community is laughing at our ignorance and > > thinking "we don't need their contributions anyway, so let's just mock > > them and move on." > > I don't think so. I'm guessing I'm older and more set in my ways. > > There are much better ways to communicate that in recent messages. > I agree. I apologize for my outburst. Just frustrated. Warner