From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 17:30:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5636E14F6405; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [195.149.99.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "raven.bwct.de", Issuer "raven.bwct.de" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DE168F44D; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de ([10.1.1.37]) by raven.bwct.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x1JHSoVS036358 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:28:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cicely.de; s=default; t=1550597332; bh=H4VXZm1kVV1w4S4C8l3qDn9IoAgCNQ3l7fhz+Mvhqg4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Reply-To:References:In-Reply-To; b=vaku5qfV4PklZhRxULXNL4YmGvdy8N057GG/csDySBF/bnHIdtgRF79MoDCQmO/Yc GthBM0n2j/l0Vi305h21UFprU18GtZgz0+scKhQzefX0J3ZmwBZpzTh4VF+TvOfNne y2AlUI7b+Pfb3AWYlbYCKFBmpzhRAOfeR05U+Ksc= Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by mail.cicely.de (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x1JHSkbW025928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:28:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1JHSkw5065670; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:28:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x1JHSfHu065669; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:28:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:28:41 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Niclas Zeising Cc: Stefan Blachmann , Vladimir Kondratyev , sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is evdev and autoloading? Message-ID: <20190219172841.GA93368@cicely7.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20190217180323.GA95686@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <71aa0ee09292b0e8648e385de33c455f@kondratyev.su> <7b25c1bf-5648-cd52-544b-828538a742d9@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7b25c1bf-5648-cd52-544b-828538a742d9@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 12.0-STABLE amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9 autolearn=ham version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6DE168F44D X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cicely.de header.s=default header.b=vaku5qfV X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.01 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[ticso@cicely.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cicely.de:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.bwct.de]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21461, ipnet:195.149.99.0/24, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.37)[-0.369,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cicely.de:s=default]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.060,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.89)[-0.889,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cicely.de]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.99.149.195.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.20.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:30:43 -0000 On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 01:43:22PM +0100, Niclas Zeising wrote: > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > >On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > >>On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > >>>Anyone have insight into what evdev is? > >>evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events > >>like keyboard presses libinput-compatible. > > > >And libinput was created by the Freedesktop Wayland team to create > >pressure on OS people to make their systems Wayland-compatible. > > > >>>I do not need nor what these modules loaded. > >>I think removing "option EVDEV_SUPPORT" from your kernel config should > >>disable most of evdev.ko dependencies > > > >Shouldn't the EVDEV_SUPPORT default be off on FreeBSD anyway, as well > >as libinput not be part of the standard packages? > > > >The Freedesktop Wayland team consists of people with the Kay Sievers > >mentality, which made Linus Torvalds ban his contributions. They do > >not care about the bugs they introduce, forcing others to clean up the > >mess they create. > > > >I'd be glad if FreeBSD would keep clean of following that Wayland fad... > > EVDEV_SUPPORT was enabled in GENERIC on 13 and 12-stable to improve > input device handling in X and Wayland. Not having it means that a lot > of input devices stop working, or work much worse. I use it to run a wmt(4) touchpanel display, which wouldn't work otherwise. I have to say that I kind of like the evdev system as it also makes it very easy to place events from userland processes. What I don't like is that we had no autosetup support in XOrg when I first used it - in the meantime this might have changed however. > > We in the FreeBSD Graphics Team are working very hard to improve the > FreeBSD Desktop experience, since it is an avenue to recruit new users, > and make current users use FreeBSD more. > > Evdev and libinput is used by both Wayland and xorg. You are free to > use either one. > > Regards > -- > Niclas Zeising > FreeBSD Graphics Team > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.