From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 14 16:26:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E892D1065701 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB828FC19 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFC17.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.252.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q8EGQHqt005418; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:26:19 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8EGQEcx011494; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:26:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8EG1lmf003367; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:01:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201209141601.q8EG1lmf003367@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Peter Jeremy From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:06:25 +1000." <20120914010625.GD15659@server.rulingia.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:01:47 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: arch@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:26:28 -0000 > On 2012-Sep-13 14:49:20 +0200, "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > >=3D?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=3DC3=3DB8rgrav?=3D wrote: > >> Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box? > > I notice you've carefully avoided answering this. I included all from DES to be polite, to make sure I didn't take DES out of context, despite he took me out context. DES's question "Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box?" while good, is one I have no further (*) time for. You in the remove CVS camp should have know or researched it before you proposed to remove CVS. > >DES hyperbole discarded, CVS would be just one more issue just for some. > > The hyperbole here is coming from you, not des@. False. DES twisted context, & exagerated between these http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013057.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013058.html (*) I had started researching other Unixes with CVS before DES asked, & I found refs, but agression kills motivation & I must travel. You in the remove CVS camp proposed change; Do your own search work. > >Some might agressively pitch for a short timescale, but if CVS goes, > >FreeBSD will hopefuly look beyond just its developers' group, remember its > >users, & consider a schedule similar to one a OS software manager would. > > CVS is a development tool and the version in FreeBSD base was intended > for FreeBSD development. People using CVS for other purposes are > unlikely to be best served by using an unmaintained and modified variant > of an obsolete version of CVS. OK, Would have been good mentioned earlier, eg when DES was flattening someone's idea to look at upgrading CVS to http://www.OpenCVS.org. > As for the schedule, as has been repeatedly stated, this change will only affect 10.x and later. If this proposal goes ahead, the first > FreeBSD release to not have CVS in the base will be 10.0-RELEASE - > which (IMHO) is unlikely to appear for another year. And 9.x will > continue to include CVS in the base and should be supported for at > least 2 years after 10.0-RELEASE comes out. Thus, anyone currently > relying on the base CVS has at least 3 years to plan their transition. OK, May be sufficient for many tracking FreeBSD. How many Unixes beyond may find your proposed change a nuisance, is unknown. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.