From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06723 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:01:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06674 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11577; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd011538; Thu May 14 19:01:00 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15937; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:00:54 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805150200.TAA15937@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:00:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980514133038.26270@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at May 14, 98 01:30:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You will note that a NAT *MUST* have proxy facilities (FTP is > > specifically mentioned on page 7). > > I disagree with "*MUST*" here. A NAT that want to support protocols > using separate connections back to the client from the server need > special handling (which could be considered a proxy, but I'm slightly > uncertain about whether this is correct, given that Datagrams. The "response" bit in the packet header. > I've always considered NAT to be _any_ Network Address Translator - > ie, a program that change IP-packets in transit to modify where they > appear to come from or go to. With that defintion it's fairly > precise, I think. It's an unnecessariky broad net which happens to capture what -alias does (and a bunch of seaweed and a flounder or two). Suffice it to say that it annoys me as much as someone claiming a "MUD" is "Cyberspace", when it's not possible to actually torture someone to death in a "MUD" and have them die in the real world from wounds inflicted. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message