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[91.59.225.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u13sm10021394wmm.6.2020.06.20.09.08.07 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 20 Jun 2020 09:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 18:08:06 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Warner Losh Cc: Hans Petter Selasky , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh , src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head Subject: Re: svn commit: r362422 - head/sbin/dump Message-ID: <20200620180806.6b50fbfc@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: References: <202006201110.05KBAZBU099451@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <3bab2cbf-c221-7d18-5257-2d3971975558@selasky.org> Reply-To: gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49q0vZ10Dwz4Dr5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=rCDgouG6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gljennjohn@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::442 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.91 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[gljennjohn@gmail.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[91.59.225.49:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.190]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.08)[-1.083]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::442:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 16:08:11 -0000 On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 07:57:29 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:27 AM Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > > > On 2020-06-20 13:10, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > >> Author: imp > > >> Date: Sat Jun 20 04:19:17 2020 > > >> New Revision: 362422 > > >> URL:https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/362422 > > >> > > >> Log: > > >> Increase the whimsy in this file by famring dump's work out to > > minions. Adjust > > >> variables accordingly. Thankfully, we are able to do this without > > additional > > >> banana expenditures. > > > This flys in the face of its intent and as a "commit" is more > > > racially biased than the code was! > > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > Maybe a stupid question, but is this the correct meaning or description > > of minion? > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=minions > > > > minion; plural noun: minions > > > > a follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile > > or unimportant one. > > "he gets oppressed minions like me to fob them off" > > > > "Minion" is still a person, like "slave" is, so I must say I agree with > > Rodney about this, I don't see how this makes it any better? Can you > > explain? > > > > For me, Minions come from the Despicable Me movies and sequels. They work > for Gru, who pays them for their services. They love Bananas and often do > crazy things for a banana. They work for Gru willingly. They are free to > leave at any time. They are sad at the prospect of Gru having to lay them > off. > > Minions are also, as you point out, employed by the powerful to accomplish > things. Key word here is 'employed'. Servile doesn't mean 'involuntary > servitude' but rather 'an excessive willingness to please.' Underling means > only that them are below them on the org chart. There's no inherent > implication of an abusive relationship, per se, though that happens as in > any power relationship between people. > > And the extensive searching I did before the commit showed no complaints > about the movies, or that this term had some coded, racist history. Or any > other coded history that's problematic. Or any overt history for that > matter. > > SaltStack uses it as their name for agents that carry out tasks, for > example. > > So what am I missing? > Why not simply use sub-processes? After all, that's exactly what the "minion processes" are. -- Gary Jennejohn