From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 6 06:01:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764DE16A4CE for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 06:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB5B43D2F for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 06:01:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([68.161.120.219]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040306140118.KAFT9273.out002.verizon.net@mac.com>; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 08:01:18 -0600 Message-ID: <4049D98E.90200@mac.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:00:46 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck McManis References: <20040305081609.GA1378@alzatex.com> <200403051152.58550.cmcmanis@mcmanis.com> <20040306204238.GA4100@voyager.swabbies.org> <6.0.0.22.2.20040305211155.0220c008@66.125.189.29> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040305211155.0220c008@66.125.189.29> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.161.120.219] at Sat, 6 Mar 2004 08:01:18 -0600 cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: New Users Learning FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:01:19 -0000 Chuck McManis wrote: > To put it in perspective, the best way to start USING FreeBSD as opposed > to acquiring it to develop with, is probably to by an Apple machine with > OS-X installed. All the integration is handled for you. It pains me that > there isn't an organization of Apple's caliber providing a complete > FreeBSD workstation product that I could load on any machine with a > simple install. Apple has some advantages when writing an OS to run on their own hardware; FreeBSD needs to deal with a much wider variation of hardware than Apple does in terms of both quality and complexity. I use both MacOS X and FreeBSD on a daily basis; they aren't the same OS nor do they make although knowledge of one is often useful on the other. OS X auto-defaults to installing everything into a single HFS+ partition, which is ideal only in the sense that such an installation avoids having the user make a decision about drive partitioning. That being said, my point is not to disagree with you so much as to say that if you think the FreeBSD install should behave differently, you've got the sources: make a few changes to streamline the process and see whether other people like them. -- -Chuck