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Date:      Tue, 31 Mar 2015 14:02:15 +0300
From:      Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
To:        Willem Jan Withagen <wjw@digiware.nl>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ftpd don't record login in utmpx
Message-ID:  <20150331110215.GZ23643@zxy.spb.ru>
In-Reply-To: <551A76B4.6050306@digiware.nl>
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:28:04PM +0200, Willem Jan Withagen wrote:

> >> Slawa,
> >>
> >> I can't tell you that, but it is in r202209. And you can ask the one
> >> that removed it (ed@). :)
> >> Like r202209 says 5 years ago:
> >> 	Maybe we can address this in the future if it turns out to be a
> >> 	real issue.
> >
> > What about issue talk?
> > Opened file outside chroot? /dev/null and /var/run/logpriv still opened.
> > Disabling logging for chrooted accounts? Realy?!
> 
> Read the submit message!? The reason is there, nothing with security as 
> I read it, but it just did not fit into the way the new lib for wtmp 
> worked/works.

I read it. And I don't understund it. May be I don't know somewere.
Or missed. Can you explain?

> Clearly you do not agree, but you are rather late to the party.
> 
> Could be that in the mean time code has been added to wtmp, and now you 
> can do it from inside a chroot? Perhaps ask ed@ of on hackers@??

First I am ask security@.
Logging login and logout -- security task.

> >> Hasn't been an issue uptill now, it seems.
> >>
> >> But then there  are many flavours of FTP server out there ATM, so freely
> >> quoted from Andy Tannenbaum:
> >> 	If you don't like this version, get another one.
> >
> > Now I only see removing old and working functionality w/o reassonable
> 
> Well that is only in your eyes. wtmp moved (on) to a different way of 
> storing the data. At that point in time nobody had a problem with that. 
> And in 5 years you are the first one to be vocal about it.

All others still using old version?

> >> Or write a script that actually unites the output from either the
> >> database and/or last(8).
> >
> > You kidding.
> > For this I need rearange ALL ftp acconts. Change permissions. Create
> > hieararhie. Learn users.
> 
> Well perhaps one of the other flavours of FTPDs suits your need better.

I don't ask what I need do.
I just ask why switch off logging.
What issues may be happen?



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