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Date:      Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:03:33 -0600
From:      Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
To:        Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net>
Cc:        Jeff Palmer <scorpio@drkshdw.org>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip
Message-ID:  <15551.27877.743534.149538@caddis.yogotech.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020418154338.D23267@rain.macguire.net>
References:  <4.3.2.7.2.20020417230144.032ad390@nospam.lariat.org> <200204171923.g3HJNga58899@freefall.freebsd.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020418095356.024354c0@nospam.lariat.org> <012901c1e725$da237e90$0286a8c0@jeffrey> <20020418154338.D23267@rain.macguire.net>

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> FreeBSD currently does not enable easy maintainance between critical release
> points for large server environments. Using cvsup to maintain source builds
> for environments like these ( say 400 servers or more ) is not only 
> unacceptable without an on staff developer and release engineer, it is 
> infeasible. 
> 
> For those of you who would be quick to note that "Corporations with
> 400 servers should be able to afford a developer and release engineer"
> please note that 400 NT, Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX servers can be
> maintained by a small team of administrators, and do not require these
> extra resources.

So, for 400 NT, Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX servers you allow a small team,
and for FreeBSD you don't even allow a single engineer?  Seems kind of a
double standard.

And as a long-time administrator, I disagree that FreeBSD is more
difficult to maintain releases across systems.  I've done Ultrix, SunOS,
Solaris, FreeBSD, and (ack!) Linux, and I find that FreeBSD is second to
Solaris, but barely so.

However, Solaris doesn't even provide anything remotely close to what
Brett is asking, and they're getting paid alot for the OS than FreeBSD
is getting paid.




Nate

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