From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Jan 26 19:51:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mmu.edu.my (ext-dns.mmu.edu.my [203.106.62.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C030537B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.cyber.mmu.edu.my (venus.cyber.mmu.edu.my [203.106.62.12]) by mmu.edu.my (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18050; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:46:04 +0800 (MYT) Received: from lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my (lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my [10.100.3.5]) by venus.cyber.mmu.edu.my (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27719; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:49:31 +0800 (SGT) Received: from dmn (hb1b-1.cyber.mmu.edu.my [10.100.98.21]) by lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29622; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:48:06 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <002701c1a6e5$eb754fa0$1562640a@dmn> From: "Sudirman bin Hassan" To: , References: <200201260704.g0Q74u864537@fedde.littleton.co.us> <02012713091300.01261@BAPhD.gihon.org.au> Subject: Re: A question from a convert from Windows to FreeBSD Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:51:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I believe that the best mailing list to discuss what is the good words and what is the best docs whatsoever is freebsd-docs. Please subscribe to that mailing list and give suggestion. I'm sure that somebody there would be very glad to help you regarding documentation. Freebsd-questions is place to ask question. -dman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Astill" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: A question from a convert from Windows to FreeBSD > On Saturday 26 January 2002 17:34, Chris Fedde wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:00:24 +1030 Brian Astill wrote: > > +------------------ > > > | However, what I am saying is that the simple sentence "passwords > > | can be changed by root without knowledge of a users existing > > | password" was simply not there on any man page - heaps and heaps > > | of well-written detail I did not need, was. > > > > +------------------ > > > > But the manual page says this in the the first paragraph... > > > > Passwd changes the user's local, Kerberos, or NIS password. > > If the user is not the super-user, passwd first prompts for > > the current password and will not continue unless the correct > > password is entered. > > > > The second sentence seems to be just another way of saying exactly > > what you say was missing from the page. Maybe I've been reading > > these things for too long, but it seems clear to me. Negative logic > > can be confusing. > > Actually, I think it is inferential logic - but it requires a > convoluted mind to see it! > The operative words are "if the user is not the super-user" passwd > first prompts ... from which one can reasonably infer that if the > user IS the super-user passwd would NOT so prompt. > You are right, but which newbie (like me) would see it? > > > And maybe this needs some cleaning up. > > You ain't kidding! :-) > > > You might want to submit a patch to the FreeBSD Documentation project. > > Want? - Yes. Be capable of? - No. > > -- > Regards, > Brian > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message