From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Aug 17 14:56:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6029C9A2D for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x22c.google.com (mail-oi1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 469jtj1MZyz4S0T for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 16so6884641oiq.6 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MSFq/YZ4SMTtw7Ntjsk1Go4Ghs1zZPiscG3uO0DltP4=; b=sXPybArQQ7AMGKoxX/ptZkwz3U1cTZgly/LIsg6BjDtfQF0gmC9zuLi+pBnkk689rI aZAcU25l7DqmWW6uoq/FcLj1t33uKGFOtanH5Amw1dXm9RgKDECm2nS0Q0hLWJR1eWEH zJz6MyUR7FWt/HYMH2OWMukfgKVNnLnQq/nYjhmmyV0lhX6EJN/HIXdZtT7Hy1+fjdW9 L3fWrICVpGdcreMV0cKG7vfIcf+C+e5vPQEWlYgKwwYGYxU6TNDQiL3oUmjP2iQSNnS8 7SA1Lgc2n2ZszeVjjXZgelArfCRgvupu0v7o+U/w50TXDyo5WSgdp/ltmsg28Yug5GLH EnZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MSFq/YZ4SMTtw7Ntjsk1Go4Ghs1zZPiscG3uO0DltP4=; b=ATlnR5Ic024U+qPbOGVclpY52/ifWym7xVn10jd7pTpukyCaArhXpWBjuN1eaNiLLx mkrWc5usAnHy9I02x8Yky5J8J9KRC108aNQKrTsZ/WPuJDoI9iJZnJrxNpQ9aZHLAJ4e FzsJM7AISQv7hVZjUDpy+C1qgVf7LtklHyWJRARmamU5gCflljJijvDdg9vzGGMDoCFH fm26XygbUBGyk7rUzGUyzKp++nMDz4oqhL3CAIvfPxlfUxpZP+qSzzX5GqTCttEzlVpM GPQU8GdFGLUIwyMhXAoS0RBGKnfGQg8/Y24WwaQHOFmJHPd0sK3ZjQTRSnc5Cqvk26rF Qjdw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU+f6l2jxO5S9uol2a8HVMiVfNNGP/IHaSukP3N2Mj7MiLOiftp 6lAnmEFvxbEJDIoIfgOaLYHmIC7xN1balJNMjVQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzJExoIV+sZugsCO1C/3ty1giEo6mWQXNgmpcJt/wHc/IussHoelAlonpSVrpP/RWF8cbvyKRQ35YrGqtLM1h4= X-Received: by 2002:aca:ab56:: with SMTP id u83mr8692507oie.57.1566053771365; Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:56:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0eeb4921-b8a5-f0f8-f568-80b240a73aec@hawaii-pacific.com> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:55:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: firefox To: "Jack L." Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports , "@lbutlr" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 469jtj1MZyz4S0T X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sXPybArQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.15), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.96), asn: 15169(-2.38), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:56:14 -0000 On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:20 PM Jack L. wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:51 AM Kevin Oberman > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:29 AM Jack L. wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> > wrote: > >> > > >> > @lbutlr wrote on 2019/08/12 07:08: > >> > > On 11 Aug 2019, at 20:29, bruce wrote: > >> > >> I have tried firefox. It crashes regularly > >> > > > >> > > That doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. If Firefox is crashing a lot the= re is > something not quite right with your system or install. > >> > > >> > I am using Seamonkey on everyday basis. Sometimes my computer is > running > >> > 20+ days without reboot and Seamonkey running all the time with 5 > >> > windows and total count of 200+ openned tabs. No crashes at all. > >> > Firefox crashes instantly after start (even if I delete its profile) > >> > Palemoon, Qupzilla, Iridium crashes few times a day. > >> > LibreOffice, Gimp and other apps are running fine. Only browsers are > so > >> > unstable these days. And as you can read I am not alone with this ki= nd > >> > of experience so I don't think it's just my computer problem. > >> > > >> > Miroslav Lachman > >> > >> yup, they don't make browsers like they used to > > > > > > I'll probably regret opening this potential can of worms, but I find > these reports of instability in Firefox surprising. I have used Firfox as > my web browser on FreeBSD for many year, going back to at least Firefox v= 3 > and probably v2. I can't say I've never had it crash, but in the past yea= r > I can't recall a single crash on FreeBSD. It has been rock solid. So why = is > it failing or some people? (I'll note in passing that Firefox has been > somewhat less stable on Windows 7 where it seems to crash every couple of > weeks. > > > > Possibilities include hardware, especially graphics, web sites visited, > and Firefox configuration. Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep = my > open tabs under 20. > > I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of > resources. That may be tied to the failures reported. > > My experience with firefox is it gets slower and slower and slower > until it's practically unusable until it's restarted (even having only > the gmail tab open for days) > Try looking at the memory pressure on your system. Firefox, especially when running heavy-duty pages like gmail. I noticed that rss (res on top) would grow until swapping started. It would continue until my swap partition was full followed by the expected... the system grinding to a halt. I could usually catch it before swap was full and restarting firefox would fix it for a while. If you want to monitor memory use, I suggest sysutils/gkrellm2. To looks at firefox use, "ps -uc | grep firefox" provides the rss for all firefox processes. rss is hte 6th column. You could write a quick script to sum the numbers, but I have just added them up manually. I increased RAM from 4G to 8, the max for the hardware, and that improved things a lot. (If you add memory, don't forget to enlarge swap.) Firefox still is huge, but the system now handles it much better. I checked the INITIAL memory use by Firefox recently and it was nearly 3.7G. And it grows from there. I saw similar issues with chrome, but I no longer use it. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683