Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 15:05:51 +0200 From: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> To: Greg Wallace <greg@freebsdfoundation.org> Cc: Alice Sowerby <alice@freebsdfoundation.org>, freebsd-enterprisewg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request for updates: EWG call next week Message-ID: <CAFYkXjkksP1pUy8rWoGgLXux_OnX5v3Leky%2BvJ83zKVNASUiRQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAP=s-_hP5ZtOhehXkuUiWW28vFTTrfsoYNq5i761rB9hHoYRVQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAE=KKV_iAmr1VALTgswVnxP_PXza44Oo6zk0rNWdfuGde4OSZQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXj=FUGyTai3-N=cXw-Og5i5czkZsaCa0OZ6QnUb-L9D_UQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAP=s-_hP5ZtOhehXkuUiWW28vFTTrfsoYNq5i761rB9hHoYRVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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--0000000000003658440621c3897d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Greg :-) I meant GPU (2D/3D graphics) for a desktop workstation working with CAD, picture/video/model editing, etc, not AI chips :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 15:01 Greg Wallace <greg@freebsdfoundation.org> wrote= : > Hi Tomek! > > Let's discuss the question of broadening the NVIDIA AI topic to include > other chip makers on the next call. > > When we started the WG, the pain point that was raised and that > participants agreed on was NVIDIA support on FreeBSD. This I think is due > to two factors. First is NVIDIA's lead in AI chips and associated softwar= e > and second because CUDA is proprietary. The latter point making it > important that the Foundation play some role. > > For Intel and AMD, it's great to see them emerging with strong > alternatives. In addition, my understanding is that their respective CUDA > alternatives are primarily open source. This makes it possible for the > community to work on FreeBSD support. At least that's my understanding. > > All the above said, I will add for next week's agenda > > Regarding Wifi, this is a known area that needs improvement but that, I > submit, is outside the scope of the enterprise WG. > > Greg > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 9:04=E2=80=AFAM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wro= te: > >> Hey there :-) >> >> I can see only NVIDIA GPU support but no AMD GPU support.. and so no >> INTEL GPU support. I guess the problem is with general GPU support >> that relates to DRM right? Can we add this broad scope please? >> >> Also recently I was traveling more and used WiFi more than Ethernet >> connections. I must admit current WiFi support looks really bad (old >> standard support, speed, reliability, no 5GHz band). We should also >> add WiFi to the list..? Not to mention setups like modern WiFi AP + >> wireguard access network on FreeBSD my friend recently was thinking >> about. >> >> Have a good day :-) >> Tomek >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM Alice Sowerby >> <alice@freebsdfoundation.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > Heads up that the next EWG call is next Wednesday, September 18 at 5pm >> UK. I will be on PTO and Greg Wallace (cc'd) will be hosting. >> > >> > Please let me know in advance any updates you may have, and copy Greg >> in. >> > >> > Or, please update the spreadsheet directly: >> > >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pM3boLIcKj26lq7XbwGMBXW0-F84We3r= _Xc3zovHjaQ/edit?usp=3Dsharing >> > >> > Hope you have a great call! >> > >> > Alice. >> > -- >> > Alice Sowerby >> > Part-time Program Manager, Partnerships & Research >> > M +44 7787 953393 >> >> >> >> -- >> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info >> > > > -- > Greg Wallace > Director of Partnerships & Research > M +1 919-247-3165 > Schedule a meeting <https://calendly.com/greg-freebsdfound/30min>; > Get your FreeBSD Gear <https://freebsd-foundation.myshopify.com/>; > --0000000000003658440621c3897d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto"><div>Thank you Greg :-)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>= <div dir=3D"auto">I meant GPU (2D/3D graphics) for a desktop workstation wo= rking with CAD, picture/video/model editing, etc, not AI chips :-)</div><di= v><br></div><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">--<br>CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, = <a href=3D"http://www.tomek.cedro.info">http://www.tomek.cedro.info</a></di= v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr= ">On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 15:01 Greg Wallace <<a href=3D"mailto:greg@freeb= sdfoundation.org">greg@freebsdfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><block= quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1= px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Tomek!<div>= <br></div><div>Let's discuss the question=C2=A0of broadening the NVIDIA= AI topic to include other chip makers on the next call.=C2=A0</div><div><b= r></div><div>When we started the WG, the pain point that was raised and tha= t participants agreed on was NVIDIA support on FreeBSD. This I think is due= to two factors. First is NVIDIA's lead in AI chips and associated soft= ware and second because CUDA is proprietary. The latter point making it imp= ortant that the Foundation=C2=A0play some role.</div><div><br></div><div>Fo= r Intel and AMD, it's great to see them emerging with strong alternativ= es. In addition, my understanding is that their respective CUDA alternative= s are primarily open source. This makes it possible for the community to wo= rk on FreeBSD support. At least that's my understanding.=C2=A0</div><di= v><br></div><div>All the above said, I will add for next week's agenda<= /div><div><br></div><div>Regarding Wifi, this is a known area that needs im= provement but that, I submit, is outside the scope of the enterprise WG.</d= iv><div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><d= iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep = 9, 2024 at 9:04=E2=80=AFAM Tomek CEDRO <<a href=3D"mailto:tomek@cedro.in= fo" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tomek@cedro.info</a>> wrote:<br= ></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;= border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hey there :-)<br> <br> I can see only NVIDIA GPU support but no AMD GPU support.. and so no<br> INTEL GPU support. I guess the problem is with general GPU support<br> that relates to DRM right? Can we add this broad scope please?<br> <br> Also recently I was traveling more and used WiFi more than Ethernet<br> connections. I must admit current WiFi support looks really bad (old<br> standard support, speed, reliability, no 5GHz band). We should also<br> add WiFi to the list..? Not to mention setups like modern WiFi AP +<br> wireguard access network on FreeBSD my friend recently was thinking<br> about.<br> <br> Have a good day :-)<br> Tomek<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM Alice Sowerby<br> <<a href=3D"mailto:alice@freebsdfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D= "noreferrer">alice@freebsdfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Hello everyone,<br> ><br> > Heads up that the next EWG call is next Wednesday, September 18 at 5pm= UK. I will be on PTO and Greg Wallace (cc'd) will be hosting.<br> ><br> > Please let me know in advance any updates you may have, and copy Greg = in.<br> ><br> > Or, please update the spreadsheet directly:<br> > <a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pM3boLIcKj26lq7XbwG= MBXW0-F84We3r_Xc3zovHjaQ/edit?usp=3Dsharing" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" = target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pM3boLIcKj26lq7Xb= wGMBXW0-F84We3r_Xc3zovHjaQ/edit?usp=3Dsharing</a><br> ><br> > Hope you have a great call!<br> ><br> > Alice.<br> > --<br> > Alice Sowerby<br> > Part-time Program Manager, Partnerships & Research<br> > M +44 7787 953393<br> <br> <br> <br> -- <br> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, <a href=3D"http://www.tomek.cedro.info" rel=3D"noreferrer = noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tomek.cedro.info</a><br>; </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si= gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d= iv dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Greg Wallace</font><div><f= ont face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Director of Partnerships & Research</fo= nt></div><div><div><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><img width=3D"96" heig= ht=3D"51"></font></div></div><div><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">M +1 91= 9-247-3165<br></font></div><div><a href=3D"https://calendly.com/greg-freebs= dfound/30min" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><font face=3D"tahoma, sa= ns-serif">Schedule a meeting</font></a></div><div><a href=3D"https://freebs= d-foundation.myshopify.com/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Get your = FreeBSD Gear</a></div></div></div> </blockquote></div> --0000000000003658440621c3897d--
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