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To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <19D1F98B-6F55-42C7-9C82-FB6F6032EA66.ref@yahoo.com> <19D1F98B-6F55-42C7-9C82-FB6F6032EA66@yahoo.com> From: Dewayne Geraghty Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:03:07 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19D1F98B-6F55-42C7-9C82-FB6F6032EA66@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dd0FZ1cXqz3KKv X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=heuristicsystems.com.au header.s=hsa header.b=XvY7+VOO; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au designates 203.41.22.115 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[203.41.22.115:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[heuristicsystems.com.au:s=hsa]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:04:52 -0000 On 13/02/2021 1:11 pm, Mark Millard via freebsd-stable wrote: >> As subject, where to get sources for 12-stable upgrade now? Is it still >> svn or is it git? > > Probably your choice. But one thing that could > bias towards svn is that the svn information > spans identifying both the svn and the git > material but the git commit does not identify > the svn material. For example, via: > > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/12/lib/?sortby=rev&sortdir=down&view=log > > is the following . . . ... [ Quite lenghty ref earlier email] > === > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > ( dsl-only.net went > away in early 2018-Mar) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thanks for raising the thread. I'm in a similar boat. Though, prior to an update, we'd review the changes via the mailing lists. The main list we used was: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-12/ but that appears dead. Normally we'd update fortnightly or trigger an update when there was an incremental patch update to "release" as advised via: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-release/ suspect also dead. Suggestion - final entry in dead lists to provide a pointer to its git equivalent? I suspect that https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/dev-commits-src-branches/2021-January/thread.html is the stable-12 equivalent but are incremental patch releases also available here? As a change management task, I would hope that a mapping between svnlite and git would've become available for FreeBSD users, similar to the cvs to svnlite migration. I guess we need to create a test machine to figure out the commands we need for git to replace what we use in the scripts (mainly "update -r "{$DATE}", diff and log along with the incantation to create a git repository). I wish that I could articulate the reason to management that FreeBSD is making the move from svn to git? Is there a timeline when svn for stable-12 /usr/src disappears? (I'm dreading a ports move to a git paradigm...)