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Subject: Re: kirk's soft-update integration.. 
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Cool, so whats next for hackers like me to get hold of the code 8)


	Many Tnks!
	Amancio

	
>     Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:08:38 -0800
>     From: Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>
>     Organization: Whistle Communications
>     To: Karl Denninger <karl@mcs.net>
>     CC: hackers@freebsd.org, mckusick@mckusick.com
>     Subject: Re: kirk's soft-update integration..
> 
>     Karl Denninger wrote:
>     > 
>     > How is this a "poison pill"?
>     > 
>     > I don't see the problem - FreeBSD, which is what this would go into, is
>     > already available in source and object form at no cost or for the
>     > reasonable distribution cost (if you buy a CDROM).
>     > 
>     >
> 
>     Julian Elischer replied:
>     >
>     > the problem is not for freebsd, but ISPs and such who may be
>     > tempted to use it to put on systems they place at custommer's
>     > premises.
>     >
>     > Whistle has a license, but the GENERIC system as distributed
>     > probably couldn't have it compiled in.
>     >
>     > I myself am not to clear on the terms..  maybe kirk (who is
>     > CC'd) can give a non-binding "This is what I mean" interpretation
>     > for us? It's to whistle's advantage to integrate these changes
>     > back some time this year, but it's up to each commercial user
>     > to negotiate with Kirk I guess.
> 
> My intent is that the typical FreeBSD user that gets source
> be able to use my code. This should cover most of the FreeBSD
> users. However, companies like Whistle that want to bundle
> FreeBSD with a product for which they do not distribute source
> code have to work out a license agreement with me. The goal
> here is to get commercial companies like Whistle, BSDI, and
> Sun to work out a licensing agreement with me while at the
> same time allowing me to let the individual non-commercial
> users use the code without having to license it. This licensing
> is being driven by the fact that I am a self-employed person
> who needs to generate a living. While I would love to give
> all of my code away as I did for years at UC Berkeley, that
> is no longer possible.
> 
> 	Kirk McKusick
>