From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 19:59:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1DA16A4BF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praetor.linc-it.com (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA3243FEC for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-19-159-39.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.159.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by praetor.linc-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB73154F6; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:59:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id A038F20F2A; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:59:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:59:02 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Brett Glass Message-ID: <20030904025902.GF40413@over-yonder.net> References: <20030903232829.732e37d5.aradorlinux@yahoo.es> <20030903224346.4bbbf208.aradorlinux@yahoo.es> <20030903232829.732e37d5.aradorlinux@yahoo.es> <4.3.2.7.2.20030903204523.03656720@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030903204523.03656720@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD cc: Diego Calleja Garc?a cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:59:06 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 08:45:53PM -0600 I heard the voice of Brett Glass, and lo! it spake thus: > At 08:30 PM 9/3/2003, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > >I use ctwm. It works great. Far better than all that crap stuffed into > >Gnome or KDE. It does the two things a window manager is supposed to do; > >manage my windows, and stay the hell outta my way. And it's not GPL'd. > > More information, please. About which part? As a WM, it's just what you'd expect from the name; a derivative of twm, with the same flavor and some additional functionality. As to the license, it's rather like the MIT license crossed with a 3-clause (1/2/4) BSD license. I'm coming to the view that somebody needs to step back a bit, and try assembling a "desktop environment" perhaps a bit richer[0] than twm and fvwm and the like, though less cluttered[1] than KDE/Gnome, by assembling and slightly blending existing components, rather than building it all together. I think there's room to profitably experiment between the extremes. [0] See also "cluttered" [1] See also "richer" -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet"