From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 12:18:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE4337B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (adsl-64-173-3-158.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.3.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AC943FB1 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Received: from queasyweasel.com (jkh@narcissus.queasyweasel.com [64.173.15.99])h5IJG62J033511; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:18:06 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: Samy Al Bahra From: Jordan K Hubbard In-Reply-To: <1055948691.92188.10.camel@beastie.freebsd.local> Message-Id: <96EF329E-A1C1-11D7-AE42-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Drawing graphics on terminal X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:18:09 -0000 The principal problem with libh is too many chiefs and not enough indians. Poor Alex and Max have done a HUGE amount of work on the system but it's large enough in scope that 2 people cannot hope to do it all by themselves, particularly when there's no relief shift to take things over when they get tired occasionally. From an architectural perspective, there's nothing which would stop libh from fulfilling all the dreams I've seen laid out here (and a number people haven't even mentioned yet, like scriptable installs or alternate look-and-feels). The principle thing standing in the way of this and every other "let's get rid of sysinstall" effort, for that matter, is a lack of engineers. This one's a bit like government. Everyone has an opinion about how it should work or what it could be doing better, but very few people want to actually get involved in changing it. :-) On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 08:23 AM, Samy Al Bahra wrote: > Though, before we all get excited about the possibilities of such an > installer, what's happening with libh? Isn't it supposed to deal with > all of sysintall's short-comings? All I see now is a lot of talk and no > code, maybe such discussion should go to libh's mailing list (where we > can talk design there)? > -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer