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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m3sm3371125otp.6.2021.11.30.14.39.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Nov 2021 14:39:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) Subject: Re: Bhyve CD-ROM From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: <1402880728.268687.1638310457578@ichabod.co-bxl> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 14:39:34 -0800 Cc: Freebsd Virtualization Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1786593170.587714.1638135091567@ichabod.co-bxl> <711266519.635448.1638165807735@ichabod.co-bxl> <3e5cfc26e781421ba0244d5c78c3a4d4@beckhoff.com> <878258613.80307.1638218553852@ichabod.co-bxl> <724392928.94209.1638225100654@ichabod.co-bxl> <1b7acfc7b88a46bfbbb9f4b6444f3c2d@beckhoff.com> <951253309.258922.1638305495927@ichabod.co-bxl> <1BF2D752-2F3F-497B-8932-3A0BFAF1BD9B@iitbombay.org> <1402880728.268687.1638310457578@ichabod.co-bxl> To: Sysadmin Lists X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J3cbZ3n0Yz4Zjn X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Nov 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Sysadmin Lists = wrote: >=20 > Yeah, all you cool kids are running 13.0-* already while I'm waiting = for 12.3-RELEASE to get out of beta. :P > I have to decide if fixing Bhyve by jumping to 13.0-RELEASE is worth = the time required to fix whatever else breaks from the upgrade. This "cool kid" is perhaps older than you:-) I did jump to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as possible! In my experience the best time to upgrade is when everyone else is also facing the same issues (or do so a little later) so that any problems you run into, you can get help or hints on at least what else to try. The longer you wait, the harder it gets. A lot of breakage gets fixed right away but some "breakage" is due to some design change and then the user has to do things slightly differently to deal with it. This latter pain is not going to go away and a few months later people are going to forget what they did. You do need to make sure you can revert to the old version if things you care about are not fixed soon enough. I think a better setup is to keep user directories on a separate partition but everything else (except var) on the same partition and use zfs snapshotting to be able to easily revert.