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Date:      Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:05:33 +0100
From:      Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk>
To:        freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Joel Dahl <joel@vnode.se>, Michael Gmelin <freebsd@grem.de>, Jeremie Le Hen <jlh@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago...
Message-ID:  <A8F561A8-9DC5-49D1-826C-A40839140132@gid.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <20170620171744.GA72667@ymer.vnode.se>
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> On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:17, Joel Dahl <joel@vnode.se> wrote:
>=20
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 03:59:54PM +0200, Michael Gmelin wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:11:37 +0200
>> Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:25:46PM +0200, Jeremie Le Hen wrote:
>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> I remember when I was still barely out of my teenagehood, people
>>>> were mostly using ssh/scp while rtools (rsh, rlogin, ... for the
>>>> youngsters) were left in place as a courtesy for legacy production
>>>> systems still relying it on them.
>>>>=20
>>>> Fast forward to 2017 (so yes, 15 years later), stack-clash [1]
>>>> sorely reminds us that suid binaries are an attack surface. I don't
>>>> even need to mention that it's a healthy engineering practice to
>>>> remove unused code, both from a maintenance and security
>>>> perspective.
>>>>=20
>>>> Therefore, I hereby propose to remove rtools from the base system.
>>>> I acknowledge this will likely cause troubles for a handful of
>>>> people who are still relying on it for good or bad reasons. But the
>>>> flipside is that the attack surface of millions of FreeBSD
>>>> installed out there will be reduced.
>>>>=20
>>>> The proposed roadmap is:
>>>> - disable from the build on head and let it soak for one month
>>>> - remove rtools from the base.
>>>>=20
>>>> What do you guys think?  Any preferred color for the bikeshed? :)
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> [1] https://www.qualys.com/2017/06/19/stack-clash/stack-clash.txt =20=

>>>=20
>>> Yeah!
>>>=20
>>> Is telnetd part of your list?
>>=20
>> As long as the telnet(1) client stays in I'm all for it.
>=20
> +1. Please keep the telnet client. It's something I expect be part of =
the base
> system utilities. I use it all the time.

+1 What he said.

> --=20
> Joel


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