From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Sat May 26 13:20:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB04F75BB7 for ; Sat, 26 May 2018 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22d.google.com (mail-io0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59C2D6F643 for ; Sat, 26 May 2018 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id 200-v6so8364750ioz.6 for ; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DwNdVj7QrJ7HUNIuYNmKdQV0p9TznOWnbeIy+C9AFP4=; b=hcCjjbhQHnajTd4CKmnx5LQIMkbuhPIQIqTJMnj3zlRKuiQw3u88BYGXEVi1fAw0IJ COLtU6IxUphGVGFonROob5sGHpnjuZ5rEQ/LR8qcUJnDDU5VgEac80/Jv9MwTFFoPYtx wB5zU8LuE0yiL3cB8GKNkeJwJD8NTwCmJ8AXVmzj1Eu4Bs37L9XJ61NtDjtik9If1idk NHX8/u94vG/DtyRtxGXpmo+er9hD6awzgSPbsNGhS1U/2U/kAdICg/ejEYGYi/5Jvd7Y K6gwWHQ0tDsSGBmZTB6YNASl2NMhWAF2KXFBU+d5Y0gNzTBHhNQhoVXLdzbK73plQbYs Mc/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DwNdVj7QrJ7HUNIuYNmKdQV0p9TznOWnbeIy+C9AFP4=; b=GDzQThtfgzbqQeM1+hXE3+IKzxqRF1foHVKM8wUzNKed4t3aMgS5TQrGPYFvgBCtQA cjRivvaU0FzQ9Vf7954+qdaCFwQOrGPGuyIDr5DqV1Ify3vdG09Kcs0AbU85ZM2Xd2vN /0iIG8jV/N0VBEqVHejsuW3jWEzofWOhXFB15f1ROXb6W8/cwVGD7ouDbzAvDmI1h4JA Dod5c0mNCVKwwknONIg09zFNosmh2m2HggKsp6Fy/JSTsVZbn8m8zkBn4ehxjoF0HKhs w689NF5z52u0w8lBPvdcl43+IDNETpvbJ9bU1+OlD5bkr61237IqidtrBo9AFiZJu2e1 bwKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwdqn6Waxy56QzgwuXQu9GXiHsni+Zpk1M6Nbulz/ACVdlkxfKHa 4A/hNTbO7lISwSYiCruaqCbbVf1IU3jB4l+NF7Yxiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJazTfthCZV5RPGkNuq8bZy9O7u7sLi+M9fj5BzIikhe6bqp84dm6ogQmL6E44980Mrx2ciggTtL2E/+try5gk= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:1c87:: with SMTP id c129-v6mr403987ioc.39.1527340853303; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:20:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201805232218.w4NMIxMA067892@slippy.cwsent.com> <18a87d6d-14af-ef9d-80ff-403039e36692@cs.duke.edu> <20180525003949.GA710@lonesome.com> <05C5BD86-70D0-4B02-AC29-36E68B3602AE@FreeBSD.org> <1A6567CD-5BE8-4E80-A262-00ADB75CF35A@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1A6567CD-5BE8-4E80-A262-00ADB75CF35A@FreeBSD.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 07:20:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deorbiting i386 To: David Chisnall Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Mark Linimon , Matthew Macy , Andrew Gallatin , Pedro Giffuni , Cy Schubert , Brooks Davis , Eugene Grosbein , Stefan Esser , "rgrimes@freebsd.org" , Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 26 May 2018 13:58:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 13:20:55 -0000 On Sat, May 26, 2018, 1:58 AM David Chisnall wrote: > On 26 May 2018, at 00:41, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > > If you've seen any of the atom bay trail systems in action you may > understand what I mean. You get full blown x64 system with four cores and > it takes only 2W of power. > > Which is pretty much my point - if you want a low-power x86 system for > embedded use, it=E2=80=99s going to be x86-64, not x86-32 (though hopeful= ly you=E2=80=99re > using a 32-bit ABI with it). > The only viable 32bit abi on FreeBSD is i386 now. And that works today. Sure, other theoretical ones are out there, but none are close to production ready on FreeBSD. Until they are, talk of removing i386 support is just crazy talk that will go nowhere. Warner >