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[24.236.152.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nm17sm12856618igb.5.2013.06.16.10.13.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:13:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <69CF1AAF-230D-4B2B-9C95-20DDD772997E@dataix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-36F8F348-6D52-4705-B436-E7F1D4D8402E; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Jason Hellenthal Subject: Re: How not allow setting ip changes interface down status? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:13:25 -0400 To: Jack Vogel X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQklKWmv+Uh9tgG0Hns4kKVCG1t7CRMgXo0csuRw+1RMK/R7f6aw82amHOryyu3bI8YgLUtx X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: h bagade , "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" , Adrian Chadd X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:13:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-36F8F348-6D52-4705-B436-E7F1D4D8402E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Off the top of my head I don't know of another OS that does this. But yes agreed changing that behavior would probably effect a lot of people i= n a negative way at this point. Not to mention script breakage. But a tunable in the stack somewhere would be awesome to change this behavio= r. Either interface specific or global or both. Sometimes installing a new faucet you don't want the water to run until all t= he nuts, bolts and washers are installed. --=20 Jason Hellenthal Inbox: jhellenthal@DataIX.net Voice: +1 (616) 953-0176 JJH48-ARIN On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:50, Jack Vogel wrote: > How is adding a small token 'down' with the command a 'PITA', > seems completely reasonable to me? Further, if you changed it > so if didn't bring the interface up you'd probably have a bunch of > people complain because that was the expected behavior :) >=20 > Jack >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Jason Hellenthal = wrote: >> Seconded. >>=20 >> But to answer you must specify "down" with every command. >>=20 >> ifconfig wlan0 inet ipa.ddr.her.e/24 down >>=20 >> It's a PITA >>=20 >> -- >> Jason Hellenthal >> Inbox: jhellenthal@DataIX.net >> Voice: +1 (616) 953-0176 >> JJH48-ARIN >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:48, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>=20 >> > That'd actually be nice to have. I've noticed this with wifi and it's >> > irritating. >> > >> > >> > adrian >> > >> > On 15 June 2013 23:59, h bagade wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I want to know if there is any way to change the current freebsd behav= ior >> >> when setting interface ip address. In current method, when assigning i= p >> >> address to an interface, the interface is set to UP. I need not allowi= ng >> >> this change to be done! If an interface is in down state, setting ip >> >> address doesn't change its sate. >> >> >> >> I'm ready to hear your ideas on my question and what's the pros and co= ns of >> >> the change I'm going to make. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 --Apple-Mail-36F8F348-6D52-4705-B436-E7F1D4D8402E Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGNDCCBjAw ggUYoAMCAQICAwaijjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0 YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcx ODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlhdGUgQ2xpZW50IENB MB4XDTEzMDUxODA4NTA0OFoXDTE0MDUxOTIyMDk0N1owSDEfMB0GA1UEAwwWamhlbGxlbnRoYWxA ZGF0YWl4Lm5ldDElMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYWamhlbGxlbnRoYWxAZGF0YWl4Lm5ldDCCASIwDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALgnYFS1bWZr3KhKBzWAdRwrY+En+RRV8nCaYubqrMG+ YJbuenaIKSbIuFiDWipW4RHYTpE28pKaSnaVTG9WtAZvsWj0gYN9g2fYCnCOUceES2Yvi3RavxpB hsuzKIfsHb8iNNSEuczLu6gn4mQyaHwE4x6xSUKmbK8njR+YoF522F60wjsnq5dlOJdTrhDfObE5 5P23279WbRp8azgZX1VRB66wdKRDuSI1vBts4Nsha2paXd6HUUduHrPACBQREJTGXN8XtEKVwo63 aKUhRgtUwHNEuSWck/xwVl7PBUWH2dORAWTCqHjNuCKNOQ1/0LMiyMj7FdsBjN4dgL4YZpsCAwEA AaOCAtwwggLYMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgSwMB0GA1UdJQQWMBQGCCsGAQUFBwMCBggr BgEFBQcDBDAdBgNVHQ4EFgQU29qUrmZtgQ7ZVoDKogfpJOSfk+YwHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUU3Ltkpzg 2ssBXHx+ljVO8tS4UYIwIQYDVR0RBBowGIEWamhlbGxlbnRoYWxAZGF0YWl4Lm5ldDCCAUwGA1Ud IASCAUMwggE/MIIBOwYLKwYBBAGBtTcBAgMwggEqMC4GCCsGAQUFBwIBFiJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnN0 YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS9wb2xpY3kucGRmMIH3BggrBgEFBQcCAjCB6jAnFiBTdGFydENvbSBDZXJ0aWZp Y2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eTADAgEBGoG+VGhpcyBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSB3YXMgaXNzdWVkIGFjY29y ZGluZyB0byB0aGUgQ2xhc3MgMSBWYWxpZGF0aW9uIHJlcXVpcmVtZW50cyBvZiB0aGUgU3RhcnRD b20gQ0EgcG9saWN5LCByZWxpYW5jZSBvbmx5IGZvciB0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQgcHVycG9zZSBpbiBj b21wbGlhbmNlIG9mIHRoZSByZWx5aW5nIHBhcnR5IG9ibGlnYXRpb25zLjA2BgNVHR8ELzAtMCug KaAnhiVodHRwOi8vY3JsLnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS9jcnR1MS1jcmwuY3JsMIGOBggrBgEFBQcBAQSB gTB/MDkGCCsGAQUFBzABhi1odHRwOi8vb2NzcC5zdGFydHNzbC5jb20vc3ViL2NsYXNzMS9jbGll bnQvY2EwQgYIKwYBBQUHMAKGNmh0dHA6Ly9haWEuc3RhcnRzc2wuY29tL2NlcnRzL3N1Yi5jbGFz czEuY2xpZW50LmNhLmNydDAjBgNVHRIEHDAahhhodHRwOi8vd3d3LnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQELBQADggEBAHsw8/Hw07gsNTKYnld74NBFtHnQOPkXYuccWx3j0PGQe9nqNxeingBf 2yvx+xBQzBoi4J1u84Jbrbe8Ii3+LLD/QMW9cN0SBIgRStPQLVee4STdjeabGmpXQa7omC02wYYO 83qh6CgJEIbmrsBSZH8ZSVrjkC4UmZS8wAQMS3qTWAPF0ZQGWx2+Gks2fXuacyt2LpNR+p9ogjAZ 1/rmUKjNhQZLswytaLRUdwAwSfQ3+TNs68h6Kv1LC3bNGBT3NEtr2q/nzzb5MzuFcDE6f9exroAC 4BHmokAprhna/vZdb6BrPjpXgRAlWAh3wEMxw75M9S/Nbzj/jNp+I+lvUJYxggNvMIIDawIBATCB lDCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3Vy ZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcxODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEg UHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlhdGUgQ2xpZW50IENBAgMGoo4wCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAa8wGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMTMwNjE2MTcxMzI3WjAjBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQQxFgQU/XUJozIeN9fP+vudu2utpWoTkWwwgaUGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBlzCBlDCBjDELMAkG A1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFs IENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcxODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJ bnRlcm1lZGlhdGUgQ2xpZW50IENBAgMGoo4wgacGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGXoIGUMIGMMQswCQYD VQQGEwJJTDEWMBQGA1UEChMNU3RhcnRDb20gTHRkLjErMCkGA1UECxMiU2VjdXJlIERpZ2l0YWwg Q2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2lnbmluZzE4MDYGA1UEAxMvU3RhcnRDb20gQ2xhc3MgMSBQcmltYXJ5IElu dGVybWVkaWF0ZSBDbGllbnQgQ0ECAwaijjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCUofJx1ca8iNVaZ8CA 3vFVl5Eui1YeXi9w4oAkKN1CAQjZIcB930b1Fq95JRYfDj6NUSnPf/2RokUpAuQrTsGWWRjhq5oK qlDWZXNIgFWOxsOCrZ26C/eC33x48kQN5pQB5lJaFZ829zOBu46Atq/YDaXC9Fp4kGMmTcENs8Wc gtZuPD9b6RlyPX2+b6S/mHX3+CLRWAjErqEonp4pUe65CV15EOdXLIoe5QeMOB/OSpODOHe4Cf+I 6YbMacRqO7dfAoU5oSbh7IUSpX0WyObXaMesyef/aeOinqef+49Zk9nYtKHyZNVPj9UsHmspt8ne 6oS+hOPQBd/ze08t3JACAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-36F8F348-6D52-4705-B436-E7F1D4D8402E--