From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 21:51:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F349971BB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71BCB189 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31EED3F86A; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55A03E72.3010703@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:51:46 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:51:48 -0000 >>>>> The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except >>>>> they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). >>>>> A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, >>>>> installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution >>>>> of the OS. >>>> >>>> Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during >>>> install? >>> >>> No. The "src" distribution contains the sources which will >>> be available in the /usr/src subtree. >>> >>>> If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if >>>> the files it's patching aren't there? >>> >>> It doesn't do that, but the tools make, install, and patch >>> themselves will be available. >> >> I understand that the utils themselves are still installed regardless, >> but in order for the 'patch' command to have something to patch against, >> doesn't 'src' have to be installed also? > > Yes, /usr/src _has to be_ present - either by installing src.txz, > as a result of freebsd-update's component src, or via SVN checkout. > The process then involves building from source of course. This is > the most transparent way to deal with updates. > I'm still confused here. I was under the impression that if I ever wanted to be able to update the system via patches, I had to leave the 'src' option selected during install. Are you saying that is or is not true?