From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 9 15:51:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEC4847 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916CD8FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l39so4926915qcs.13 for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=n2AcQ9vYHtgMv7OHLsuGrXinGkiFXjk943Cm1xzVilg=; b=NcPvvvDaieax/ojvaGvJEfJpWzzZwVQNeMWZHkkmkON3qFnfg4o5QQfLqKNIRmPYfu k/Zlf2aVE0PSvbvyozWQMLKsbmx4wSTUUgNIExV8u0840j63oMER9Z3ik0B9Trl95O2M xs4aIWc1cIOia2KFMXCcERCSYhRBLnJMy/TyWegV4klsBCWxI0eITr65pGFZmiPatTUT vq/Fi2uxs7wncqXgBkgWMaSLcooSYJmzOrkqqykhaICBQcFh1mk2EFtPq5tHlp4MTWRt 8yS29MBtm53f/LGYD9ddo7NMCJJg3SuhLxehqbXu+MEVKBIelTlEmyZt0WHKcauflTvb lFSw== Received: by 10.224.9.9 with SMTP id j9mr35559663qaj.32.1349797887413; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.101.53] ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jw1sm20811323qeb.13.2012.10.09.08.51.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:51:21 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <5071D6B5.1010609@FreeBSD.org> <50726C73.10506@FreeBSD.org> <50732CB1.9080900@gmx.de> <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com> To: Devin Teske X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmbRyxgv/vFt8iDp7zKncXJvOAKacDwIg8ZLXrabmjYekT3LCBFpUead1CwziqqAidly3g5 Cc: olli hauer , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:51:34 -0000 On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > =85Re-adding the list=85 >=20 > On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote: >=20 >> ... >>=20 >>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" = on-screen is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that = some keyboards may not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but = indeed "Delete" is worse because the implied connotation associated with = the "Delete" key (_someone_ might be confused into thinking "Delete" = will purge the menu from memory). >>>=20 >>> I will play with keycodes. >>>=20 >>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad = suggestion (read why below). >>>=20 >>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather = unfortunately -- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", = "up-arrow", "down-arrow", "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", = "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: it doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", = "F14", "F15", or "F16"). >>>=20 >>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them = instead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those = keys are pressed). >>>=20 >>=20 >> ... >>=20 >> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry? >> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms = (intel/appel/ppc/sparc ...) >>=20 >> Anyway nice work :) >>=20 >=20 > By golly, I think olli is on to something here! >=20 > What does everybody think about space? >=20 > I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by = anything else). space usually doesn't mean backup to most users. It usually means go = forward or select, so this is a poor match to what other systems do and = therefore to what one might expect joe-random-person to expect. Warner