From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 21:32:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE2716A4CE; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED08943D1F; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE806547C; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:32:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 81717-07; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:32:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from saboteur.dek.spc.org (82-147-17-88.dsl.uk.rapidplay.com [82.147.17.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E902965473; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: by saboteur.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F146257; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:32:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:32:05 +0000 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Steve Kargl Message-ID: <20040228053205.GA24378@saboteur.dek.spc.org> Mail-Followup-To: Steve Kargl , Max Laier , src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org References: <200402260234.i1Q2YDx1014240@repoman.freebsd.org> <20040226060126.GA70201@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20040226061846.GB15864@saboteur.dek.spc.org> <20040227182325.GA81744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040227182325.GA81744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org cc: Max Laier cc: src-committers@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/contrib/pf/net if_pflog.c if_pflog.h if_pfsync.c if_pfsync.h pf.c pf_ioctl.c pf_norm.c pf_osfp.c pf_table.c pfvar.h src/sys/contrib/pf/netinet in4_cksum.c X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:32:09 -0000 On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 10:23:25AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > Q: "Was this import discussed on arch@ or current@?" > A: No. We held private discussions. I make absolutely no apologies for this, because it's how real progress happens. Otherwise all effort is frittered away on bikesheds. Outside of FreeBSD (yet somewhat related) I have this problem. I am in discussions with a lawyer and freenetworks protagonists about legal strategies for the survival and propagation of freenetworks. If I were to publicly air EVERYTHING we've been doing and discussing, it would be disastrous. > If any of ipfw, ipfilter, or ip6fw are candidates for removal, then > it needs to be done before 5-STABLE is branched. Otherwise, we need > to find individuals to actively maintain each of these throughout the > lifetime of 5.X (a 3 to 5 year time span). We'll build that bridge when we come to it. We all have an interest in seeing these bolt-ons to the network stack propagate and survive. I am encouraged by luigi's feedback here. > > I also have Evil Plans(tm) for pf on FreeBSD. > > Care to summarize your plans? See earlier mail. BMS