From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 14:15:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6F716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:15:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F7443D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:15:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id B5C94530C; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:15:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 138615308; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 89E4233C1B; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:53 +0100 (CET) To: cpghost@cordula.ws References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> (cpghost@cordula.ws's message of "Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:22 +0100") Message-ID: <86d5v7npya.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: sp0ng3b0b cc: Charles-Andr? Landemaine cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:15:33 -0000 cpghost@cordula.ws writes: > Imagine Linux dropping Tux for some meanlingless, lifeless logo? I'm glad you asked. Tux is a mascot, not a logo. These are Linux logos: http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topiccaldera.gif http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicdebian.gif http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicmandrake.gif http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicredhat.gif http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicsuse.gif http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicturbolinux.gif The image that is sometimes used as an all-round Linux logo is not "just Tux", but rather a particular representation of Tux in combination with a logotype and an orange splash. The author of that logo is clearly aware of the distinction between a logo and a mascot: http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/logo/ Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. In fact, it fails the primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects. It also fails several other important tests of logoness: it is not under the FreeBSD project's direct control (our use of it is subject to the whim and mercy of Kirk McKusick); it is not a registered trademark; it is probably too diluted already to even be eligible to be registered as a trademark. This does not even begin to consider the technical aspects (ease of reproduction, scalability, representability in monochrome, recognizability under different and sometimes difficult conditions, etc.) Here's a page (a NetBSD logo contest entry) which addresses many of these concerns, and coincidentally underlines my point about the daemon not being exclusive to FreeBSD: http://homepage.mac.com/codesamurai/netbsd-logo-entry/ (this is so good I'm surprised NetBSD didn't adopt it, and I'd love to see it submitted to the FreeBSD logo contest) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no