From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 7 16:20:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sprawlnet.com (ns1.sprawlnet.com [208.224.169.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D14153D3 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sprawlnet.com) Received: from mike (1Cust59.tnt10.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.81.59]) by ns1.sprawlnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA82361 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:21:40 GMT (envelope-from mike@sprawlnet.com) Message-ID: <002901bf1133$731937a0$3b51163f@freebsdbox.com.sprawlnet.co> From: " Mike Steinfeld" To: "stable" Subject: Fw: Roasting Newbies Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:18:44 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Steinfeld To: Michael Lucas Cc: stable Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > Well i just have to let it out. > > I was asking someone recently , " Is it just me, or Does there appear to be > alot if idiots ( Lack Of A More Creative Word ) attempting to run FreeBSD > Lately "? > > I remember when i first installed Linux. I thought i was the Baddest mofo in > town. I mean What kind of crap is that ? After running Linux for awhile, i > got a job as a Sys Admin. I always heard so much about FreeBSD, I figured > this was my chance to see for myself. > > I guess for me Linux is like the script kiddies play toy and FreeBSD is > for System adminstrators who are payed for performance and have found > FreeBSD to be the best solution by afar. This is my case. > > Check the Vibe: > 1) feeling out the newbies. > a) Check to make sure the Newbie does not wanna be the > elitest SK (Script Kiddie) in town. > b) If there seems like hope that the little SK wants to > actually learn something. (Be weary). > c) If your on IRC /whois the SK and see if he is in #warez or > #linux or the like. > d) If you followed a,b,c and everything seems O.K. it > probably is not. But, help SK anyway. > e) If the question pertains to PPP, Linux vs. FreeBSD or > nmap. Run VERY FAST erm. wait. > f) As a result of " e) " Do as you wish , Im sure no one will > care! > > 2) Handling the Newbie > a) Let go of your Linux SK grudge. > b) seriously folks let your altruistic ways prosper and maybe > cut him some slack.(whoah !) > c) If the newbie is in fact a "SK" and you know this. Point > his ass to back that thing up! > d) Take life a little less serious. If he/she is an ass. > Ignore the thread. Well, at least attempt to. > e) Play with the newbie intellectually like he was a ping > pong ball in a tournament. > f) Take a deep breath and hope for the best. ( If that works > let me know. ) > > 3) Killing/Flaming the newbie. > a) Make sure this is all that is left to do. ( Choose wisely > Danielson. ) > b) Get everyone to turn against this prankster, including > the bearded guy at the Bus stop. > c) Join a cult where computer users have grey suits and > sniff things to get by the day. > d) Just tell his mom. ( We all hate that ) > > 4)Conclusion > > a) As pathetic , simpleminded, and silly as all this sounds. I was raised > with repsect. ( Are your diapers on or off ). > b) Do we really need to carry on about some inconsistencies and > idiosyncratic behavior. ( consume bandwidth.) > c) Are we going to feed into the commercialised Linux movement. And pretend > that these bastards are going to get away with it. ( oops , anger > misplaced.) > d)Cant we all just get ( way to old to even say ) > e) treat people the same way you would want to be treated. ( I love you > Grandma. ) > > people seriously. > make a valid attempt to stop being so ridiculous. ( to all that apply, and > the ones in denial ). > > (Newbie, Ver 0.1.1-current) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Lucas > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies > > > > IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest > > level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to > > -questions. > > > > If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I > > don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to > > (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around. > > > > Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Perhaps this will help. If so, > > everybody wins. If not, the next person with a bright idea can try. > > > > As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on > > the server end. That's where we've been for years. There's really > > very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed. Why should a > > desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS? Besides, as you > > say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux > > ourselves. > > > > ==ml > > > > > Mr. Lucas, > > > > > > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that > > > particular how to doc on the web. > > > > > > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people > > > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to > > > the right thread? > > > > > > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of > > > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly > > > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader. > > > > > > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I > > > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek > > > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with > > > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even > > > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box. > > > > > > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself > > > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS > > > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with > > > the famous but obscure "that is for questions" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message