From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jun 18 5:59:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu [128.147.18.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23FC37B405 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: by 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <46AEB8C1B628D511969200508B6FE42A6683EC@1upmc-msx6.isdip.upmc.edu> From: "Person, Roderick" To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Opera (was: Linux emulation problem) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:55:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0F7F6.047BEDA0" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F7F6.047BEDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Opera is great. I been using it for months now. And the only things that annoy me are the Bookmarks which do strange things on me (like repeating 10 times in the list). And the lack of plugins. I don't go to many sites which need plugin support so I can live with that for now. As Philip, suggested the pages that won't work with Opera are catering to IE or NS. I use Opera for Windows at work and the site it can display are IE and NS specific. I know this because one of are web sites is but on asp and doesn't run in Opera for windows either. So site that detect the browsers can be tricked with Opera's nifty little Identify as... setting. Are our Exchange Mail web page I have to set the ID as to IE 5.0 or NS 4.75 to be allowed acces to it. Once I do that it works fine! All and All it's a great alternative to NS and according to the Opera mailing list the are working on the plugins piece. Roderick P. Person Programmer II (412)454-2616 personrp@ccbh.com http://www.ccbh.com "Fascism is coming back, baby!" - Kevin Bacon - JFK > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip J. Koenig [mailto:pjklist@ekahuna.com] > Sent: June 18, 2001 6:31 AM > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Opera (was: Linux emulation problem) > > > > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:02:12 -0700 > > From: Kelsey Cummings > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 10:37:17PM -0000, dev-null@no-id.com > > wrote: > > > Ok, this isn't a question per se. I did as the two kind > > > replies suggested and installed the linux libs from ports. Now > > > opera is working. But it's not just working. It's working > GREAT! ;-) > > > Unlike that memory scrooge bug farm Nutscrape, Opera isn't > > > crashing/freezing itself, nor is it bringing X down. I'm so > > > impressed with it that I thought it was my responsibility to > > > lighten the path for other readers of this list who may be > > > experiencing Netscape troubles of their own.... > > > > I love it too, but opera does have some quirks that I > hven't figured out > > yet. It doesn't work right with some web apps that we use > internally > > that have always worked with NS and IE. Of course, it *IS* > adware until > > registered. > > > It's a lot better than it used to be. I use it as my main browser > now. It is my unscientific opinion that the vast majority of pages > or apps that won't work with Opera nowadays are ones which pander to > generally non-standard idiosyncracies of IE and Netscape, rather than > flaws with Opera. Well worth the $39, they deserve support for > giving us a nice alternative. (At least they are out front with > their revenue source. I don't consider IE or NS free, you are just > paying for them by legitimizing other aspects of TimeWarner/AOL or > Microsoft's efforts at dominating the net) > > My least favorite aspect at the moment is the bookmark feature, > so for now I use Netscape for bookmarks and open the Netscape html > bookmark file in Opera when I want to access it. (Bless Netscape for > at least making that an html file) > > > Phil > > > > -- > Philip J. Koenig > pjklist@ekahuna.com > Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the > New Millenium > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F7F6.047BEDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Opera (was: Linux emulation problem)

Opera is great. I been using it for months now. And = the only things that annoy me are the Bookmarks which do strange things = on me (like repeating 10 times in the list). And the lack of plugins. I = don't go to many sites which need plugin support so I can live with = that for now.

As Philip, suggested the pages that won't work with = Opera are catering to IE or NS. I use Opera for Windows at work and the = site it can display are IE and NS specific. I know this because one of = are web sites is but on asp and doesn't run in Opera for windows = either. So site that detect the browsers can be tricked with Opera's = nifty little Identify as... setting. Are our Exchange Mail web page I = have to set the ID as to IE 5.0 or NS 4.75 to be allowed acces to it. = Once I do that it works fine!

All and All it's a great alternative to NS and = according to the Opera mailing list the are working on the plugins = piece.

Roderick P. Person
Programmer II
(412)454-2616
personrp@ccbh.com
http://www.ccbh.com

"Fascism is coming back, baby!"
        - Kevin = Bacon - JFK




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip J. Koenig [mailto:pjklist@ekahuna.com]
> Sent: June 18, 2001 6:31 AM
> To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Opera (was: Linux emulation = problem)
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:02:12 = -0700
> > From: Kelsey Cummings = <kgc@sonic.net>
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 10:37:17PM -0000, = dev-null@no-id.com
> > wrote:
> > > Ok, this isn't a question per se. I = did as the two kind
> > > replies suggested and installed the = linux libs from ports. Now
> > > opera is working. But it's not just = working. It's working
> GREAT! ;-)
> > > Unlike that memory scrooge bug farm = Nutscrape, Opera isn't
> > > crashing/freezing itself, nor is it = bringing X down. I'm so
> > > impressed with it that I thought it = was my responsibility to
> > > lighten the path for other readers of = this list who may be
> > > experiencing Netscape troubles of = their own....
>
>
> > I love it too, but opera does have some = quirks that I
> hven't figured out
> > yet.  It doesn't work right with some = web apps that we use
> internally
> > that have always worked with NS and = IE.  Of course, it *IS*
> adware until
> > registered.
>
>
> It's a lot better than it used to be.  I = use it as my main browser
> now.  It is my unscientific opinion that = the vast majority of pages
> or apps that won't work with Opera nowadays are = ones which pander to
> generally non-standard idiosyncracies of IE and = Netscape, rather than
> flaws with Opera.  Well worth the $39, = they deserve support for
> giving us a nice alternative.  (At least = they are out front with
> their revenue source.  I don't consider IE = or NS free, you are just
> paying for them by legitimizing other aspects = of TimeWarner/AOL or
> Microsoft's efforts at dominating the = net)
>
> My least favorite aspect at the moment is the = bookmark feature,
> so for now I use Netscape for bookmarks and = open the Netscape html
> bookmark file in Opera when I want to access = it. (Bless Netscape for
> at least making that an html file)
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> --
> Philip J. = Koenig           =             =             =    
> pjklist@ekahuna.com
> Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & = Communications for the
> New Millenium
>
>
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" = in the body of the message
>

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