From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 18 1:16:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D161037B424 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f3I8Fxk37404; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris Coleman" Cc: "Greg Lehey" , , Subject: RE: [dn-core] Re: Daemonnews Magazine Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:15:58 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c0c7df$cc6b6a80$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's great - I'm glad you found some value in my ideas! It's the least I could do after running a review of my book. I guess I'll be doing the next least thing, and you will be increasing your subscriber count to 801. ;-) Ted PS: on magazine.daemonnews.org you have "subscription deadline for receiving issue #3 is March 13" which is nearly a month back now. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Coleman >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:34 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Greg Lehey; core@daemonnews.org; newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: [dn-core] Re: Daemonnews Magazine > > >If you look at the main web page, there is now a link to >http://magazine.daemonnews.org. > >I have added an Advocacy Pack, its only 12 issues and they have to pay >postage, but its a start. > >Thanks for the ideas. > >Chris Coleman >Daemon News >http://www.daemonnews.org >Bringing BSD together > >On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Coleman >> >> >I am encouraged that people are anxious to receive the magazines and you >> >won't be disappointed. They are very high quality and only improving. >> > >> >However, I am a bit discouraged by the lack of subscribers. To be >> >perfectly honest, we have 800 subscribers, nearly half of them are >> >International. I can't see us keeping the print magazine alive if more >> >people don't take an interest in it. $24.95 isn't that big a >price to pay >> >to have a BSD magazine. Daemon News has a total of four part time >> >employees who handle the shipping and office duties, so we >aren't getting >> >rich off this. Everyone else is volunteer. The magazine is >expensive to >> >print and we have had to eat a lot of the cost. >> > >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> Be patient, patient, patient! I write a regular column for a computer >> magazine that's local to my hometown and they have been in operation for >> ten years now and are still mainly being distributed for free. >I think your >> doing pretty good if you have 800 subscribers after only a few >issues being >> printed, I think it's going to take you 2 years before you >really get going >> in terms of subscriptions, hang in there buddy! >> >> >FreeBSD has a purported userbase of 2.5 million and 800 subscribers is >> >what percentage of that? Add in NetBSD, OpenBSD, Darwin and BSD/OS. >> > >> >> Don't forget that the majority of those users obtain copies of >FreeBSD for >> merely the cost of their ISP connection via FTP over the Internet. How >> many are regular subscribers to Walnut Creek? That's the userbase stats >> you should care about - since those are folks that value FreeBSD >enough to >> part with some money for it. >> >> >Its time to start advocating. >> > >> >> I'd suggest looking again at the Daemonnews homepage. Believe it or not, >> when >> I first saw in the mailing list that you guys were doing a print >magazine I >> went to the website, looking to sign up, and search as I might I couldn't >> see a scrap of HTML that referred to it. I checked again, once or twice, >> over the following months and still didn't see anything so I figured "Oh, >> another >> bogus rumor" and forgot about it. >> >> I was very surprised to get a promo copy of the magazine a >couple weeks ago >> for a magazine I didn't think existed! :-) (I'm even more >surprised and a >> little >> disappointed that it's issue 3 since I'd like to get a copy of issue 2) >> >> Anyway, even today looking at http://www.daemonnews.org there is no menu >> link to >> the hardcopy of the magazine at the top menu. There is a >sidebar - but you >> have to >> click on it to get to the mag, and there's no text in the sidebar saying >> that it's >> a magazine. I'd suggest that right next to the "Get BSD" red >menu item, you >> have a >> "Daemon News Magazine" red menu item. >> >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >> Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >> >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message