From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 3 16:47:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (mail2.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A2337B568 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwass99@home.com) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000403234709.NSQY13994.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net>; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:47:09 -0700 Content-Length: 1844 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin To: Brennan W Stehling Subject: Re: make world failed Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Barton Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I normally wouldn't get involved in this kind of sillyness, but this strikes me as more miscommunication (on both sides) than anything else. The people who have responded, when suggesting the mailing list, were (giving them the benefit of the doubt) suggesting a quick search using such keywords as "upgrade" and "problem" against the stable list. I did just that and it took about 2 minutes to find more than 2 references to the differences between going from 3.x to 3.x+1 and going from 3.x to 4.0. Unfortunately, Brennan seems to have understood (again giving the benefit of the doubt) that people were suggesting he should have been following the list for some time before attempting the upgrade. That would have been nice, but as was suggested, not necessarily possible. I think it's also important to ensure that,if the standard upgrade documents aren't going to spell out the various upgrade paths (and I honestly see no reason they should) there should be mention not only of tracking the stable mailing list, but also searching it (and maybe hackers if it's a major change such as we've just done) for possible pitfalls and problems. The fact that such advice is repeated commonly in the mailing lists should be an indication to put these kind of things in the FAQ. Finally, I'm always a little dismayed to see these misunderstandings degenerate into near flame-fests. I really enjoy using FreeBSD and I find, on average, the information in the lists I track to be worth the effort. Unfortunately, these excursions reflect badly on the FreeBSD community. I don't think it's too hard to look at a response before you send it and, if it's not the kind of message you'd like to see addressed to you, really think about the value in sending it (with not sending it having the most value IMHO). cheers, Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message