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Date:      Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:07:40 +0300
From:      Alexander Motin <mav@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Oliver Pinter <oliver.pntr@gmail.com>
Cc:        Davide Italiano <davide@freebsd.org>, Albert Shih <Albert.Shih@obspm.fr>, Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@iet.unipi.it>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au>
Subject:   Re: High load event idl.
Message-ID:  <4F9D2F0C.4050501@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAPjTQNF=0Hgq_7BxeK_8o6DRQ%2BUJ_r94Y3PqwF8f_ccDeA_hHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <20120427203013.GB60961@pcjas.obspm.fr> <CAPjTQNFsHZQLp8oMwhjkAWLnYZ5mPv9kr9=X5GhqHqExoHM0yw@mail.gmail.com> <20120427213459.GA61125@pcjas.obspm.fr> <4F9B946D.3030607@FreeBSD.org> <CAPjTQNGts290DyjORNfir8_rZ5S_vdog%2BJMEBA9mc2vJhUa=jg@mail.gmail.com> <4F9CCEF2.6050609@FreeBSD.org> <20120429155512.M91148@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4F9CDE91.1060300@FreeBSD.org> <CAPjTQNF=0Hgq_7BxeK_8o6DRQ%2BUJ_r94Y3PqwF8f_ccDeA_hHQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On 04/29/12 15:04, Oliver Pinter wrote:
> Removing dummynet from kernel don't chanage anything, that is releated
> to load average. The loadavg hold to 0.70 +/- 0.2. (single user : sh +
> top)

New ktr dump?

> On 4/29/12, Alexander Motin<mav@freebsd.org>  wrote:
>> On 04/29/12 09:09, Ian Smith wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:17:38 +0300, Alexander Motin wrote:
>>>    >   On 04/29/12 01:53, Oliver Pinter wrote:
>>>    >   >   Attached the ktr file. This is on core2duo P9400 cpu (
>>>    >   >   smbios.system.product="HP ProBook 5310m (WD792EA#ABU)" ). The
>>> workload
>>>    >   >   is only a single user boost: sh + top running, but the load
>>> average is
>>>    >   >   near 0.5.
>>>    >
>>>    >   ktr shows no real load there. But it shows that you are using
>>> dummynet, that
>>>    >   schedules its runs on every hardclock tick. I believe that load you
>>> see is
>>>    >   the result or synchronization between dummynet calls and loadvg
>>> sampling,
>>>    >   both of which called from hardclock. I think removing dummynet from
>>> equation,
>>>    >   should hide this problem and also reduce you laptops power
>>> consumption.
>>>    >
>>>    >   What's about fixing this, it is loadavg sampling algorithm that
>>> should be
>>>    >   changed. Fixing dummynet to not run on every hardclock tick would
>>> also be
>>>    >   great.
>>>
>>> Wading in out of my depth, and copying Luigi in case he misses it .. but
>>> even back in the olden days when HZ defaulted to 100, one was advised to
>>> use HZ>= 1000 for smooth dummynet traffic shaping dispatch scheduling.
>>>
>>> I wonder, with the newer clocks and timers, whether there is another
>>> clock that could be used for dummynet scheduling, that would not have
>>> this effect (even if largely cosmetic?) on load average calculation?
>>
>> First of all, the easiest solution would be to make dummynet to schedule
>> callout not automatically, but on first queued packet. I believe that in
>> case of laptop the queue should be empty most of time and the callout
>> calls are completely useless there. Luigi promised to look on this once.
>>
>> What's about better precision/removing synchronization -- there is
>> starting GSoC project now (by davide@) to rewrite callout(9) subsystem
>> to use better precision allowed by new timer drivers. While now it is
>> possible to get raw access to additional timer hardware available on
>> some systems, I don't think it is a good idea.


-- 
Alexander Motin



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