From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 16 06:52:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA29475 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:52:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from kai.communique.net (Kai.communique.net [204.27.67.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29462 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:52:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@kai.communique.net) Received: (from smap@localhost) by kai.communique.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA01047; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:56:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712161456.IAA01047@kai.communique.net> X-Authentication-Warning: kai.communique.net: smap set sender to using -f Received: from localhost.communique.net(127.0.0.1) by kai.communique.net via smap (V2.0) id xma001044; Tue, 16 Dec 97 08:55:43 -0600 From: Jacques Vidrine To: "David E. Cross" cc: Mike Smith , Johan Larsson , Greg Lehey , Rob Nelson , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: 3com 3c509 card In-reply-to: References: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:55:43 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'll second that ... I've used FreeBSD for 3 years, and used almost exclusively 3COM 3c509 cards for 10BaseT. I'd guess that we have at least 3 dozen boxes running with these cards, and they perform well. We starting using the 3COM cards after having bad luck with NE2000 clone cards. *shrug* Just wanted to point out that Your Mileage May Vary. Jacques Vidrine On 15 December 1997 at 22:15, "David E. Cross" wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > > So my suggestion is that you _don't_ ship your computers with 3com cards, > > > at least not the 509. > > > > I'd have to ask why anyone would use a 3c509 when an NE2000 clone is > > cheaper, faster and better supported. > > > > Alternatively, I'd have to wonder why anyone would contemplate shipping > > a hardware combination that they haven't tested extensively in-house > > first. > > > > Ok... this I take offence at.. I have always had great troubles with the > NE2000 cards and compatibles in all areas (from working to performance). > I have 2 3c509s in my system, and have only had a problem once (Back with > FreeBSD 2.1.5 I think, which got pulled because of the problem). As for > performance... I have done cross subnet installs with these cards and got > a sustained (on a 1.5 Gigabyte file) transfer of 800 K Bytes per second > (between 2 3c509s, across 2 subnets with other computers)... I am *very* > pleased with these cards. My understanding of the 'buggy' comment comes > from the PNP nature of these cards. > > -- > David Cross > ACS Consultant >