From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 7 21:44:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850511065674; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 21:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9D78FC1A; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 21:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6so222076vws.13 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:44:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Tlnn91VYA6ikRrGZZYv12DJzHdgW11nv6qyc53zoLlU=; b=lBB4TdG5lrkZzFrg/DiDFBrsCB/n/xzCKwUAShOaR19R4oA4pXcXMBzxTAHLm4TGNC yn5+/y3+VxM4DS6lErDYUp8JAajoqiZrKu7HlzzOHepUP5mYTrvBepnqf7MURzx3HLqS VI/EBIKZP0UpE7+TCHS4l7p6Pl5Or6/UI4QLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Ejkx52jJKpCHtLgig0l8dycP+CdlMENf7e1BIfm0O5xBRtW0pbgdzSEA+MQ6H4i9IO Y9cq08w/8ZSCsoGUCb9xU9+YNbNa4LSVWZdbfo0UYObXHaZ1sXv3Io4ezcFKdLPQ+d0o RJ4d1B/wAoGK3RBv+krzdvQjihgfRjQST/uUc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.103.2 with SMTP id i2mr1861236qao.192.1278539065543; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.201 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:44:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C34E910.5020007@aldan.algebra.com> References: <4C34C5DE.7040007@aldan.algebra.com> <20100707185928.GA16180@icarus.home.lan> <4C34E0E6.9070801@aldan.algebra.com> <4C34E910.5020007@aldan.algebra.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:44:25 -0700 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: "Mikhail T." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: tom@hur.st, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org, Randi Harper Subject: Re: 8.x grudges X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:44:34 -0000 On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 16:34, Randi Harper ???????(??): >> >>> Attached is the kernel config-file (i386), that worked fine under 7.x. >>> The >>> kernel-compile will break (some *freebsd7* structs undefined), without >>> the >>> COMPAT_FREEBSD7 option. Try it for yourself... >>> >> >> Don't use a kernel config from 7. We've already told you this. >> > > Your "telling" me this is just as valid as warning me against using > computer-cases of a particular color. It is a silly requirement. My > expecting things, that worked for 7, to work in 8 is reasonable. There may > be (documented!) exceptions, but it ought to "just work". >>> >>> Yes, your way is fine. But so is mine. It is perfectly reasonable to >>> expect >>> my method to work just as well -- the 7->8 is not revolutionary, but >>> simply >>> the next step. I read the "UPDATING" file and, though annoyed a little, >>> took >>> care of things mentioned in there... The remaining things are enumerated >>> here... >>> >> >> Your way clearly isn't fine, as it doesn't work. >> > > That's an obviously flawed argument -- this line of thinking can be used > against ANY ONE reporting ANY BUG -- if one has a problem, then one's way of > doing things "clearly isn't fine". >> >> These changes aren't gratuitous. Did you read the commit messages >> behind each of the changes? I'm guessing that you haven't. >> > > No, and I'm not going to. A commercial OS would've been the laughing stock, > if one hand to change C: to 1: between releases, for example... >>> >>> Again: this particular change seems gratuitous. >>> >> >> It's not. You didn't bother researching before complaining. > > I bothered to type up my list. Presumably, problem-reports are welcome. I've > been a Unix-user since 1990, a FreeBSD user since 1993 (or 94?), and a > project-member for a decade. If *I* have a problem, then newer users > certainly will too. And, guess what, they'll simply go with something, that > does not give as much grief... >> >> To put it in simple terms, there were changes made to geom, and the way >> that >> sysinstall writes out dedicated disks wasn't compatible. Search the >> mailing list archives. >> > > If this is a known problem, it is even more of an outrage, that some shim > was not introduced to keep the users from hitting this particular bump. >> >> The modification should be necessary. > > Why? Why should a netboot act differently from a local boot from CD? There's a lot of secret sauce done for detecting whether or not you're booting from CD vs pxebooting in a release image, as well as within the sysinstall application as to what environment its dealing with, as well as what you get after things are done with a vanilla build and a sysinstall install (as I've discovered on my own). Unfortunately assuming both methods to produce the same result is flawed :(... Thanks, -Garrett