From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:37:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D67B16A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:37:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9890643D2D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:37:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) iAD8b1v56851; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:37:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Eric Schuele" , Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:37:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <4194F3FA.3010809@computer.org> Subject: RE: Everything randomly generates .core files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:37:05 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Eric Schuele > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:34 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Everything randomly generates .core files > > > Hello, > > I'm having some difficulties with 5.3-RELEASE. I have made a fresh > install from the iso image I downloaded. Formatted the entire drive, > just to make sure it was clean. I have installed everything of interest > via the ports tree. But many things seem to fail randomly. I can use > xfe for a while, then blip its gone. pptpclient is the same. Fluxbox > generates .core files as well... but its never shutdown on me. xprop > has generated a few too. Doesn't seem to be any one app. > > I'm new to FreeBSD (and *nix in general)... so I have no idea where to > begin investigating. > > I was previously using 5.3-BETA7 and did not have these problems. The > only thing I did different this time was to make things from the ports > tree instead of pkg_add everything. > You probably have a bad CPU cache on your motherboard. The solution is to use that machine for some Windows system and get a different PC. What happens with the beta code is that it's compiled with debugging switched on, for obvious reasons. The production code is compiled with debugging off, as well as a lot of other go-fast optimizations, once again, for obvious reasons. Some of these optimizations make use of funny tricks like making loops small enough to fit in the CPU cache so that the loop executes 10 times faster, etc. All of this now means that your hardware has to do some real work for a change, instead of loafing along like it does under Windows. Some hardware cannot take this and will cry Uncle. You probably would find NT4 Server bluescreening a lot on that same hardware for the same reasons. W2K by contrast, was slowed down by poorer, slow scummy coding because Microsoft knew it would be run on a lot of substandard garbage grade hardware. Ted