From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu May 24 18:45:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A90EFB18A for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 18:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:3d::42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0CDB7D37D for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 18:45:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (danm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w4OIjDfj074394 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 May 2018 11:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org w4OIjDfj074394 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1527187515; bh=6egbqxKiGNac1MlDMToRdzFgK5siF9J8Z3jm7dSYG2Y=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; z=Date:=20Thu,=2024=20May=202018=2011:45:11=20-0700=20(PDT)|From:=2 0"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Gushi)"=20|To:=20Pete=20Wrig ht=20|cc:=20Johannes=20Lundberg=20,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20FreeBSD=20,=20rde@tavi.co.uk,=20000.fbsd@quip.cz|Subject:=20Re:=2 0Pause=20pkg=20install=20messages|In-Reply-To:=20|References:=20=20<201805240 91741.59dbabf2@raksha.tavi.co.uk>=20=20<999c38f3-8127-6ffa-f ad1-818566c2801a@quip.cz>=0D=0A=20=20; b=CzM1/gGHO1okIQOa/T5knwYA+S+fNYQlIDzrmw8hHc8zidLWrtAsZ16/wROjBUHOt dDksi8YZ3MI7ieAG81OO/iravpMJL02LG0tWuVpWuaCIkDWYwhTNfkKlSqaNi1aSdb YA5jJuPf6vW4BWeep4A33Uxftgo+/NAsU+kTo5xix3ntkHLmq/VOki+JY8bRgENOAT Je8Z+/ddi6hDIEs84EtZkHYK9OdeVLKtG3AmKm45BthLO0KP6GloYI6a3HZznf2Kw7 pU//7w73bcBibUdQJ8p8j98R08ZEhXy2/c+t8dhqjUfOb/1bfd+0HSoFvKhGW+b95K WCzlJMdrdw8pA== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w4OIjB6o074392; Thu, 24 May 2018 11:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danm) Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 11:45:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)" X-X-Sender: danm@prime.gushi.org To: Pete Wright cc: Johannes Lundberg , FreeBSD , rde@tavi.co.uk, 000.fbsd@quip.cz Subject: Re: Pause pkg install messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20180524091741.59dbabf2@raksha.tavi.co.uk> <999c38f3-8127-6ffa-fad1-818566c2801a@quip.cz> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0x624BB249 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (prime.gushi.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 24 May 2018 18:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 18:45:18 -0000 On Thu, 24 May 2018, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 05/24/2018 02:46, Johannes Lundberg wrote: >>=20 >>> If you need to re-show message of any installed package, "pkg info -D" >>> (or pkg info --pkg-message) is your friend. Nothing is lost. You can >>> view it anytime. >>>=20 >> If you're in virtualbox on a laptop, you seldom have scroll lock unless = you >> map it manually (which is not easy to know how to do). >> And, yes you can review the messages later but how do you know which of = the >> 100's of package had important messages for you? >>=20 >> Often when I install 100's of package I walk away from the computer and >> when I come back all the messages except the very last one or two have >> scrolled by. >> I think we should have a pager that says something like "please carefull= y >> read through these messages", halt the output and let's you scroll one p= age >> or pkg at the time. >>=20 >> Even better, a Y/N question asking the user if they want configuration t= o >> be done for them where it makes sense (but that's a bigger project). >>=20 > I think having pkg output something along the lines of "missed important= =20 > messages or want to view them again, run pkg info -D at any time.=C2=A0 h= ere's the=20 > list of pkgs we just installed:" would be a good improvement. > > it would encourage people to get more comfortable with the pkg tool itsel= f=20 > while not changing the default behaviour that experienced admins/users ha= ve=20 > gotten used to. All FreeBSD systems by default come set up with the expectation that=20 you (the admin) are going to receive mail from cron and periodic. I'd opt= =20 to also email this, on by default, but turn-offable. FWIW, I believe this is also what Debian does. Best, -Dan --=20 "It would be bad." -Egon Spengler, "Ghostbusters" --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC FB: fb.com/DanielMahoneyIV LI: linkedin.com/in/gushi Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------