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Carter" Message-ID: <96c1cfb2-4b64-8532-5dc9-c99d33ce9924@pinyon.org> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:15:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.69 X-Rspamd-Server: h2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DqHj20h8Rz4XMP X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=pinyon.org header.s=dkim header.b=rr65Kkbq; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pinyon.org:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pinyon.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 00:15:51 -0000 On 3/1/21 5:04 PM, Tim Daneliuk via freebsd-questions wrote: > On 3/1/21 5:56 PM, Russell L. Carter wrote: >> nd I'm a little icked out to have to run local mail through yet >> another evilcorp.  So I'm provisionally going to have the local postfix >> instances SMTP relay to a cloud postfix instance I manage.  T > > > You don't. Sendmail, at least, is smart enough to deliver local mail > without doing through the relay - at least for things in the same > domain. > Agreed! That's what I intend to do, but I have to move my infrastructure physically out into the cloud to get rid of my last mile ISP problem. Roamers are a complication, obviously. Now I think I know how to do it. I need to emphasize that I'm just an amateur here with way too much time on his hands... > For other domains, sendmail provides mailtable which is a way to decide > which relay should be used for which domains. (I just confirmed this > with the sendmail gurus.) I assume postfix has something analogous. Yep. > Also, I checked with DuoCircle and they claim to only retain the content > for a day in their logs, but are willing to turn that off at the request > of the customer. > That's cool of them. There was some glitch on registration (freebsd firefox?) and chat cleared it up quickly so I am encouraged so far. Best, Russell