From nobody Mon Feb 7 09:17:21 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986EB19ABDE5 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 09:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fm-7517-20220207091721352dbaae5a40447075-P2uVNd@rts-flowmailer.siemens.com) Received: from mta-64-226.siemens.flowmailer.net (mta-64-226.siemens.flowmailer.net [185.136.64.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JsgXC1BYfz3Lml for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 09:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fm-7517-20220207091721352dbaae5a40447075-P2uVNd@rts-flowmailer.siemens.com) Received: by mta-64-226.siemens.flowmailer.net with ESMTPSA id 20220207091721352dbaae5a40447075 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:17:22 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=fm1; d=siemens.com; i=michael.osipov@siemens.com; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:References:In-Reply-To; bh=4RdxwoOb/eT5oqLSnXbNu6Uk9Xbafk4PwTMHppLgXoI=; b=dWlUpBaJS2DbHIlXJPKS6BbIbz7aDAGnxJVzVPNCd2L1jiGcCsYzaD9gDNub/lUOWByeQz lkog8O+vBsqgISETeTb8b2ISyZmLbd9LBsVOWDsI5hW7v1y8AwEPbU+sGjClfDBFPCv5OsOL lds8Iz+w4coagHPGGtC28PeGdRaLI=; Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:17:21 +0100 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dragonfly Mail Agent (dma) in the base system Content-Language: de-DE To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <835dc887-6491-602c-7d71-d99309871126@siemens.com> <20220205141300.C19D2149@slippy.cwsent.com> <202202061553.216Fr0Yt071775@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> <20220206161102.D8114111@slippy.cwsent.com> <202202062216.216MGQgQ005757@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> From: michael.osipov@siemens.com In-Reply-To: <202202062216.216MGQgQ005757@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Flowmailer-Platform: Siemens Feedback-ID: 519:519-7517:519-21489:flowmailer X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4JsgXC1BYfz3Lml X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=siemens.com header.s=fm1 header.b=dWlUpBaJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=siemens.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fm-7517-20220207091721352dbaae5a40447075-P2uVNd@rts-flowmailer.siemens.com designates 185.136.64.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fm-7517-20220207091721352dbaae5a40447075-P2uVNd@rts-flowmailer.siemens.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[siemens.com:s=fm1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[siemens.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.136.64.224/29]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[siemens.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[siemens.com,none]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[185.136.64.226:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[michael.osipov@siemens.com,fm-7517-20220207091721352dbaae5a40447075-P2uVNd@rts-flowmailer.siemens.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; ASN(0.00)[asn:50018, ipnet:185.136.64.0/24, country:NL]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[michael.osipov@siemens.com,fm-7517-20220207091721352dbaae5a40447075-P2uVNd@rts-flowmailer.siemens.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Am 2022-02-06 um 23:16 schrieb Jamie Landeg-Jones: > Cy Schubert wrote: > >> In message <202202061553.216Fr0Yt071775@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net>, >> Jamie La >> ndeg-Jones writes: >>> Cy Schubert wrote: >>> >>>> dma doesn't support SMTP submission, we may need to review various port >>>> default options or whether ports even support it. >>> >>> Good catch. >> >> You misquoted me. Read my email again! > > Sorry, I read it again, but it still looks to me as "some ports only work via > SMTP submission, so they will need to be looked at." > > I suggested an alternative of instead, "emulating" the SMTP submission > functionality (but maybe in a better way that my suggested hack, though) > > After all, it isn't just ports - there could be other third party stuff > that only works via submission too. It is not that easy just too look at ports. I give you three examples from work: 1. Zabbix (network monitoring), suppports only SMTP, although PHP supports sendmail(8) 2. JavaMail Transport implementation exists only for SMTP, I was not able to find any transport implementation for sendmail(8). Maybe I will write one for fun. 3. Python mail package supports SMTP only, no other package available, at least AFAIK. Unless ecosystems provide impls for sendmail(8) I see it very hard to live without localhost:25 for many cases. Michael