From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 24 18:03:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11162 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:03:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11133 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA48611; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:04:07 -0800 (PST) To: Brett Glass cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux to be deployed in Mexican schools; Where was FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:01:32 MST." <4.1.19981124155935.064ed4c0@127.0.0.1> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:04:02 -0800 Message-ID: <48607.911959442@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The problem is that, because Walnut Creek is really the source for the > CD-ROMs, folks here are powerless to do very much. The best we can do Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is complete and total equine exhaust material. As I've frequently stated here, all you have to do is tell me WHEN AND WHERE to send CD-ROMS and they will be sent. The various advocacy-minded members of FreeBSD's user base actually have tremendous power to bring about change with very little effort since all they have to do is identify the targets and someone else (us) will handle all the cost and efforts of dealing with them. This applies to the north american continent and most of Asia (through PHT) as far as shipping and product is concerned and, for CDs going elsewhere, we can at least provide the product for trans-shipment by a 3rd party. This constitues a significant financial committment on our part either way and to say that everyone else is powerless even with such assistance really substantially sells short the efforts of many users to prove the exact opposite over the years. We've done a lot with the CD give-away program and continue to do so. I don't think people really quite realize just how many CDs are provided freely and at substantial expense to Walnut Creek CDROM - I think the 2.2.6 give-away program ran well into high 5 figure amount$ and, indeed, the only reaction we got from Brett was heavy criticism for sending out a product with "known security problems." Sometimes I think it's just impossible to satisfy some folks which, in turn, leads me to wonder whether it's even worth-while trying to do so. Ruminate on that a bit, won't you? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message