From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jun 17 17:39:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE21337B43D for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cybertron.kruijff ([213.10.151.186]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXVLTJ02.KBI; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:39:19 +0200 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:40:08 +0200 From: Alex X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Reply-To: Alex X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2750525642.20020618024008@dds.nl> To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: John Prince , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: ATA Atapi 4.6 Release In-Reply-To: <20020617204825.GC25616@leviathan.inethouston.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617112839.030a9ff8@popmail.ct.lodgenet.com> <20020617204825.GC25616@leviathan.inethouston.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello/Beste David, Monday, June 17, 2002, 10:48:25 PM, you wrote: DWCJ> On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:38:01AM -0500, John Prince wrote: >> I have to say, I am a bit disappointed in the 4.6 release, as well as the >> way problems have been identified, and swept under the carpet.. DWCJ> Why didn't you express these concerns for the past few months? At the time i was tracking RELENG_4. Release 4.5 was just out. Not so long after that the ata code from HEAD was introduced and one of my server became unbootable. I then started several mails on question, hackers and stable. Must be a total of 6 or so. Most ended in no reply. Others ended in that they had the problem to (witch is a response i appreciate very much, since this lets me know i'm not alone) or that i appeared to be on the wrong mailing list. (Could be because i slowly start to understand where the problem lies.) >> >> It appears the ATA code was MFC, and does not perform as one would expect.. >> In simpler terms, it does not work correctly. DWCJ> We lose too much functionality to back out the MFC, the only known DWCJ> problems that I know about are ATA tags which can be disabled. Could DWCJ> you please specify which problems you are talking about? Is it a lot of work to be able to have the old ATA as a backup? >> 4.6 release is "Broke" and will not work with many existing hardware >> configurations. >> 4.5 release worked.. DWCJ> Please explain which configurations are broke due to 4.6-RELEASE Mine did. A quote from Mike Tancsa i found to be very true. MT> There were lots of threads on bugs as well as lots of fixes. I MT> would not say at all that NOTHING was fixed. Soren has done a lot MT> of great work. Remember, the code from before the big MFC was not MT> perfect either. There were a number of bugs with that code as well MT> as it not being compatible with a few new cards and MB chipsets. -- Best regards/Met vriendelijke groet, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message