From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Dec 20 21:18:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A441213547DB for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 21:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82a.google.com (mail-qt1-x82a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3E4B6E6CC for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82a.google.com with SMTP id t33so3475916qtt.4 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:18:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hwXryhLjSdCY1W7fBhmwrBoudRTx3lw6nq++oUodY9g=; b=lD5GosJPhRY9WSBweKVBDBnA8C3FYzocsXbHkEHYGObCwN10Lb5+UuYvRXX20bAbF5 /AtcI9/MB/ZGRFw8W9TDVNO9k1HfKFNI8IiZ3twPVSM4RbYzLHluCsya0ZGPxKNuc9iG a1uhgHnaGTv56Pdiczv3E+IlKtJRB9rHTuYC1BbZleItu3KouheZyneb5wA1zEa63HLU gbI+CBvV8fOX/25hRX2IeQFCXTCO8q+CWaxiNRUv9hnyjDs+/h4wuuopLBRN+gtunSQu LLjVHp1LWilDPUKRKZaHrPYPXyZGDWFz0sLTwNio6nX2J+Mna/XVAIa352d5g2iTkp8/ f+Sg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hwXryhLjSdCY1W7fBhmwrBoudRTx3lw6nq++oUodY9g=; b=qXPJne1+xzjU3es/GRQ91iz3u/WbWgH7vihYBpgyaR6rjtCDIstH8gFk+I2WgiK/C1 vtIXAZdApVzbxNa1ria1XzO4juhwvjdol+HVxxSXZC6umzzlfvC+QRYLrblTF6tu6mo8 yCI1VVm0FoalP5FMPJXRGcD2IG5EQP1qtS8Zfm7SYl8ivaKh9bG6kuXf++EeyjkNHQS4 nhwkQHqpkS6Esgkh/lHC5wj3aI3RqU3KdTZRspXJsgYd54Q8xX26qmjfM+t4zcy0CMZ3 UMsQQsfRx0VY8xcb87/CX/xKUWOBCfYqg0Hs5nxmlE7q7q/HPxuOZnLPnaS2xHlFhAtk qNQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbskaO2Sl1+r0F/NtndOq6Gmu7xPU//i/LQfukjWzXXgCyRKTZH 5GHQYH8bKj6kEnq+fl8gMm1URA7nlH7SQOv7x2qlk4tV X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XVQ0JaiLCfaEzAAOddJi1Bs8Y4Cg5sHAokaQoTQC4wU62PU4wqYDVPzxDRlQRKoCi8/CmgY1a8aZrlnRobCjU= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f143:: with SMTP id y3mr28124469qvl.21.1545340683028; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:18:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181219163033.jwm7opiwmdhbk6p3@mutt-hbsd> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:17:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of ZFS in FreeBSD To: Allan Jude Cc: FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B3E4B6E6CC X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=lD5GosJP X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.976,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.09)[ip: (-7.14), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.81), asn: 15169(-1.42), country: US(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 21:18:04 -0000 On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:49 PM Allan Jude wrote: > I am to give a big thanks to Matt Ahrens for organizing the monthly > OpenZFS Leadership meeting, and the OpenZFS developer summit, and to > Brian Behlendorf for being so helpful, and willing to work to make > OpenZFS better for everyone. > I'd recommend the monthly leadership meetings. They dispelled any doubt that I had that there were overly powerful factions present that would disadvantage FreeBSD. The calls were worthwhile to understand the context of a number of other things being discussed. It seems much healthier in this context than things I've seen in the Illumos context because of a lack of burdensome process that provided no benefit and actually got in the way (which honestly, was my expectations going into the meeting). There's good reason to trust OpenZFS, it's leadership and decision making process. If ZoL is the best upstream source, then I trust their judgement on that, regardless of the hassles it will cause us in the coming months. >From the discussions I've seen, there is no pain-free choice that doesn't relegate FreeBSD to a backwater of what we have today. Warner