From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 9 02:08:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5092106566C for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7FE8FC14 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08B0725D3885; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C189159C8A2; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rGeX11rNVIOI; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nv.sbone.de (nv.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F71B159C8A0; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:08:40 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" To: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <8B793E28-0426-46CC-AB10-E0257AF6707D@bsdimp.com> Message-ID: References: <4D9EFAC6.4020906@lazybytes.org> <7EA5889E-77EF-4BAE-9655-C33692A75602@bsdimp.com> <4D9F2C88.4010205@lazybytes.org> <20110408155520.GA40792@cheddar.urgle.com> <4D9F5B31.9000509@lazybytes.org> <8B793E28-0426-46CC-AB10-E0257AF6707D@bsdimp.com> X-OpenPGP-Key: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Sergey Vinogradov Subject: Re: ifconfig output: ipv4 netmask format X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 02:08:46 -0000 On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Warner Losh wrote: > Non-contiguous netmasks are *not* legal anymore in IPv4. Just reference the RFC and everyone will agree... *oops* ;-) On the general thread: I'd seriously stop bothering with any decisions that will change the way IPv4 works or has worked or the output tools gave people for 20 or more years unless there is a really good reason. Do not break things just because you don't like it. It's hardcoded into too many brains^Wscripts. just my 0.01cts. PS: I am all for making things more restrictive no longer thinking inet is the default but even that's hard... -- Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family.