From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 10 4:22:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAC037B423 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 04:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3AB71m02439; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:07:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:07:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dan Langille Cc: Christopher Schulte , Matthew Emmerton , Rasputin , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Releases Message-ID: <20010410120701.A749@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010409111054.00b18008@pop.schulte.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dan@langille.org on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:29:43AM +1200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:29:43AM +1200, Dan Langille wrote: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Christopher Schulte wrote: > > At 03:45 AM 4/10/2001 +1200, Dan Langille wrote: > > >Give meaningful and widely used names to things which people are famil= iar > > >with. > > > > -CURRENT fits all those requirements. >=20 > In this case, the familiarity is reduced to those familiar with the > project. Witness the frequency with which the confusion > arises. It's question five in the FAQ. =20 http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/preface.html#CURRENT The first para says "only of interest to developers working on the system and die-hard hobbyists". The second para says If you are not familiar with the operating system or are not capable of identifying the difference between a real problem and a temporary=20 problem, you should not use FreeBSD-CURRENT. This branch sometimes evolves quite quickly and can be un-buildable for a number of days at a time. People that use FreeBSD-CURRENT are expected to be able to analyz= e=20 any problems and only report them if they are deemed to be mistakes=20 rather than ``glitches''. Questions such as ``make world produces some= =20 error about groups'' on the -CURRENT mailing list are sometimes treated= =20 with contempt. I don't see any way in which someone could start running -current without seeing that warning, or the equivalent warnings in the Handbook. Short of making -current refuse to build without a magic cookie in /etc/make.conf, and a webpage that contains that cookie along with this dire warning, I don't see how we can make it more obvious to people that they shouldn't be running -current if they don't know what they're doing. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrS6VQACgkQk6gHZCw343WJsQCfQDdcdJiPSFStiCkokrtRV5Zq JdoAn3ltsJ2jmL/E0bx30Ny1BHHTpU7X =aM4c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message