From nobody Tue Nov 22 17:36:16 2022 X-Original-To: dev-commits-ports-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NGryn1yJjz4j817; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4NGryn16XTz3RHN; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1669138577; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=GK7hZU7YC2fc21UPjWpJTQ0QbT7XD4axkq20n7GHviM=; b=hN50ga5Q1BV2wag5fSegGjOOS8abqsvEpm8rEH9MchDso1wwgbcH+im9uJVYD4rMiKuQvQ XCMK7/JMoyL1ut+mm8SEVwou1dmSzxUJxoWUsvMYsiA9+E87lnWhr4cLGsZ6E6arqvi/2b lUePpuS1AIOFv9I79Do5Na4wVnAr8GEmsf3P1bOTax7CDNA/o1SBMM0RbEgk7K88Y8QIBe E4tKIj6Xqz9wvDSEV+E/QY8VNTSy2CAIBHob2cRS3CPBXllqHO73xoxE3J+jtTzi+vy2ah cefOvCLCvCQABduLb1SLC9gj+dHn29+xPkQssZWMm69b6So2hbZeAJJOArpjvA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1669138577; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=GK7hZU7YC2fc21UPjWpJTQ0QbT7XD4axkq20n7GHviM=; b=aN5MVj83B/SmvzvziYA6gZULHLo53BdpoB5tEC9s/kUehp77WF6PTpE0WUlFDGebri9QOs eQV9Wu2aHFiaY7FTNpi8VpqGT4WxvhJ+2rpNWcyGb137eXTqF8dflkAuWs6IcHDAojW/6p TNmK82ZwMnJeR0Bdx+FZFVjFPsIqhwSDL490iruc8EfGq7ZeMxbQA259g19yYzd5kzYa1r gxICPwloVsXYxdo8RvW3N/YhY1CIQHg6wY77Y/WGRuG45Yq8mo3bpo+Jh4KTMpt1HrCon5 uGfxfpKoeGBMu1WKvP6KHwSozaLVan8Oz4TZbYCFzTpiWQrCbFzD+crI6u7DEg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1669138577; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=F1F1Zp7TSDTT2YTHun9eYlJt5SIW6VF/oraZuFVkbwknQsY9hfp/6uE19VfRmZEl7C9BCs e80iTSSC3Noj/h2FEuD1yUjT7OLGDbrhQIWvdCKuadiSCq5gI5UhLzYKxo5DkHtJ0rsTWb doezILkA/f846BuD4HmsLT4x5lOIaXDw2ATXzRx/6I1GYkEghFtOiMh0bkleK8nXNALWvc 7z0k66qrAf7r3dsiGIHPFUAuFLDvtYXHG4DXOlOmdao5M9aI9+D09XkMYHuQjo7HYsViJm afTXEjpcVMLQpZ+GMkiiHshk9c1LCeV3i4hxDV3nlWsDfFUc6vX8RZUAk2Es0Q== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id EC155B040; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:36:16 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Gleb Popov Cc: Jan Beich , ports-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 6a5b2121a0ad - main - graphics/libimagequant: update to 4.0.4 Message-ID: References: <202211021359.2A2DxrBH094375@gitrepo.freebsd.org> List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the ports repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-ports-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, Nov 04, 2022 at 03:33:28PM +0300, Gleb Popov wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 3:20 PM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > Not everyone is using binary packages, and there's always a trade-off to > > make. For many of us Rust is a big "no", and if LIQ is not particularly > > useful for a typical user, there is little reason to have it enabled by > > default, given the price. Defaults should be sane. > > Can't agree with you on that. Defaults should be sane for users, not > developers. Most users use binary packages and do not compile stuff > themselves, so we should prefer defaults convenient for them. How well do you know our users? I'm seeing more and more folks wondering why they have to build Rust when they install e.g. BIND from ports. There're plenty of people who install software from ports for various reasons, and crazy^Wdubious dependencies give us bad image in their eyes and might turn them away from FreeBSD. At least Rust should not be pulled by default in the `graphics/py-pillow' and `graphics/gd' ports, it's pulluting the docs generation stack where it's absolutely not needed. ./danfe