Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:22:28 -0400 From: Jamie Norwood <mistwolf@mushhaven.net> To: Peter Brezny <pab@sysadmin-inc.com> Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: FTP almost gone now? (was: Re: IPFW almost works now.) Message-ID: <20010613112228.A1043@mushhaven.net> In-Reply-To: <MFEFLELMIJGKDKPCJHAFEEGACDAA.pab@sysadmin-inc.com>; from pab@sysadmin-inc.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 11:17:07AM -0400 References: <MFEFLELMIJGKDKPCJHAFEEGACDAA.pab@sysadmin-inc.com>
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 11:17:07AM -0400, Peter Brezny wrote: > >>Balderdash! HTTP and TCP both send files over identical TCP > >>connections, which makes them equally efficient. There really is no > >>reason for FTP to continue to exist (but yet it does). > > I was under the impression that the http protocol is a much 'chattier' > protocol than ftp, and that regardless of them running on identical tcp > connections, FTP is much more efficient by nature of the Protocol. This was my understanding as well, but I have no more data than you, hence why I conceded that argument for the moment. > Someone clear this up for me. > > Regardless, though, a secure, standardized method for PUT to work would be > great for me. We've got a number of clients who want to transfer large > files without having to 'figure out' how to use an ftp client. A web page > they could log into that would guide them through the process of > transferring files would be great. I agree, this would be 'nice', but replacing FTP with this isn't an option. Do not take away .my. tools because .your. users are too lazy to learn what they are doing. The Internet doesn't need any more dumbing-down than it's already had. FTP is not hard. There are plenty of point-n-drool applications out there, so the only excuse is one of laziness. > I guess we should stop yapping, and start putting something together. > > Thanks Antoine for the great article on apacheweek. Good luck with it. Jamie > Peter Brezny > SysAdmin Services Inc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Antoine Beaupre > (LMC) > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:01 AM > To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group > Cc: Garrett Wollman; Jamie Norwood; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: OT: FTP almost gone now? (was: Re: IPFW almost works now.) > > > Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > > In message <200106122044.QAA93356@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>, Garrett > > Wollman write > > s: > > > >><<On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:27:49 -0400, Jamie Norwood > <mistwolf@mushhaven.net> > >>said: > >> > >> > >>>No, it has a host of limitations all it's own, not the least of which is > >>>that is is actually less efficient at transfering files, > >>> > >>Balderdash! HTTP and TCP both send files over identical TCP > >>connections, which makes them equally efficient. There really is no > >>reason for FTP to continue to exist (but yet it does). > >> > > > > On virtually every mailing list I'm on I've been advocating the > > deprecation of FTP, only to get flamed by advocates of FTP. The reason > > FTP is still used is because people want to use it. Until the majority > > can be educated (convinced) it will continue to be used. Code (CGI > > scripts, etc.) to perform uploads would be the start of the demise of > > FTP. > > > Actually, I think that nothing short of: > > > - the (possible?) merge of mod_put in the main distro of Apache coupled with > > - the implementation of PUT and DELETE methods on the client side (Netscape, > IE and friends) along with > > - some kind of standardization of the process of renaming, etc > > > would do it. Since this is completly unrealistic, ftp is here to stay. Or to > be replace with SFTP. > > > A. > > -- > La sémantique est la gravité de l'abstraction. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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