From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri May 15 18:01:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B492FC66A for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Nx7322Gwz4DQ2 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 45AA42FC668; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4562E2FC667; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Nx7163kTz4DPw; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 04FI1Oju022407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 May 2020 14:01:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 11:01:24 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Kyle Evans , Poul-Henning Kamp , Alan Somers , Arne Steinkamm Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Disallowing read() of a directory fd Message-ID: <20200515180124.GB27494@kduck.mit.edu> References: <202005151504.04FF423p040952@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202005151504.04FF423p040952@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Nx7163kTz4DPw X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kaduk@mit.edu designates 18.9.28.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kaduk@mit.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:18.9.28.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mit.edu]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[11.28.9.18.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.11.2]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; IP_SCORE(-2.92)[ip: (-9.68), ipnet: 18.9.0.0/16(-4.80), asn: 3(-0.06), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3, ipnet:18.9.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 18:01:35 -0000 On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 05:04:02PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > kevans@ wasted FreeBSD time with threat of change at 2 days notice, I disagree with describing the proposal as a "threat of change", and am confident that the response thus far has met the "substantial objection" threshold needed to pause the intent to commit pending further discussion/revision. I'm not replying to the other points, that others have covered already. -Ben