From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 12:22:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E66437B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.yumyumyum.org (dsl092-171-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.171.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433C943FA3 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@yumyumyum.org) Received: by mailhub.yumyumyum.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3621D2A0; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.yumyumyum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270C427A; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Culver To: Jordan K Hubbard In-Reply-To: <96EF329E-A1C1-11D7-AE42-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> Message-ID: <20030618151939.U80347@alpha.yumyumyum.org> References: <96EF329E-A1C1-11D7-AE42-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Drawing graphics on terminal X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:22:45 -0000 > The principal problem with libh is too many chiefs and not enough > indians. Poor Alex and Max have done a HUGE amount of work on the > system but it's large enough in scope that 2 people cannot hope to do it > all by themselves, particularly when there's no relief shift to take > things over when they get tired occasionally. From an architectural > perspective, there's nothing which would stop libh from fulfilling all > the dreams I've seen laid out here (and a number people haven't even > mentioned yet, like scriptable installs or alternate look-and-feels). > The principle thing standing in the way of this and every other "let's > get rid of sysinstall" effort, for that matter, is a lack of engineers. > > This one's a bit like government. Everyone has an opinion about how it > should work or what it could be doing better, but very few people want > to actually get involved in changing it. :-) > What needs done right now? I havn't seen much on libh recently... where is the source at? How can I get a look at it, and a list of what needs done so I can help. Just today at work, a friend of mine asked me how to install FreeBSD. He had tried it and had no luck whatsoever, so I had to walk him through it step-by-step. This would go a long way towards making an install process that could, for example, give the user the option of a "newbie install" which would be all graphical and pretty with X and what-not, and a "experienced install" which would bascially be the same installer we have now, only written on top of libh. Anyway, I'm interested in helping, I have 2 or 3 nights a week where I could write some code after work. Ken