From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 5 18:01:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D5316A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E931D43D2D for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:01:22 -0600 Message-ID: <404930D9.1010207@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:00:57 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <9C6E1232-6EED-11D8-9CD3-000A959A1868@mac.com> <20040305164650.2de84cad@vixen42.> <200403051728.21133.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200403051728.21133.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2004 02:01:23.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECDDFD50:01C4031E] cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Vulpes Velox Subject: Re: FreeBSD Most wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:01:02 -0000 Johnson David wrote: >On Friday 05 March 2004 02:46 pm, Vulpes Velox wrote: > > > >>>I love FreeBSD, but the applications it runs need a little catching >>>up to do if it wants to compete with its cousin. On that sort of >>>desktop, anyway. >>> >>> >>LOL, for home use... not really... >> >> > >Time to insert a plug for KDE. While FreeBSD is not ready for home use >due to system administration stuff, the desktop is ready. Now before >people start jumping all over me, please note that I distinguish >systems administration tasks from desktop tasks. For the former you >still need to know how to use a command line editor. For the latter >we're already there. > >Juk is comparable to iTunes. It's not identical to iTunes, especially in >the "pay to download" department, but for your typical user it's more >than adequate. Ripping audio is as simple as dragging ogg and mp3 files >out of the CD directory. Drag them right on to Juk if you want! This is >easier than Windows by a long shot. I've had a Windows user's jaw hit >the floor when he saw that. > >There is no reason we have to hang our heads in shame whenever the >Windows or Mac desktops are mentioned. While FreeBSD can't do >everything the other guy can, don't forget that the other guy can't do >everything FreeBSD with KDE/GNOME can. > >Remember, 99% of the users never use 99% of the functionality of an >application. We dont' need CYMK photo prepress functionality in GIMP >before it's usable in the home! > >Cheers, > >David > > I'll try to say more than just "me too." If, in 199x someone had showed me what's on my desktop right now, I'd have learned it just as easily, I think. I can configure GNOME to be easily as pointy/clicky as Windows. The rest is simply differences in enforced policy. Windows 95 was probably quite a bit more of a PITA than anything I'm running on UNIX today; plus, this box just doesn't crash... Does the "awe factor" have anything to do with this? I think I could have some real killer app on a good looking desktop, but some people just wouldn't give it a look unless it cost me a couple $K .... compare certain sports cars to a homeade dragster ... Porsche might look better, but the funny car will blow its doors off; what's under the hood is what counts. As for GIMP vs. Photoshop, I can't say I'm that competent with either. And Windows Media Player made a mistake IMHO by making the actual filesystem "disappear" in favor of a different interface and "root" locale.... While we're on the subject ... how about multitrack audio recording and mixing? If I could replace CakeWalk 9 on my aging win98/475 that'd be *very* kewl.... Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P.