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Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/net/ncftp/patches patch-aa 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Sep 94 10:11:31 PDT."
             <199409221711.KAA12730@precipice.Shockwave.COM> 
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:13:45 -0700
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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> Andrew, I want to make myself clear as to why I'm asking you to not
> move ncftp into the source tree.

Paul,

Why must you insist on remaining silent for the entire duration of a
converstation and then come in when everything has been decided and
throw your wrench in?  We talked about how NCFTP was necessary for
automated bootstrapping of both ports and (hopefully) an installation
across the net, and using ncftp to bootstrap itself onto a new system
isn't all that kosher.

I've explained ALL OF THIS BEFORE and I'm not really in the mood to do
it all again for the 12th time.  Poor Andrew's only doing what we ASKED
him to do, for christ's sake!

The point is not to turn FreeBSD into something bloated, the point is
to AVOID bloat by giving the users the right out-of-box tools they
need to grow or shrink it dynamically, and preferably without having
to have too much knowledge of the internals (you should be able to just
select what you do and do not want from a list of choices).

So unless YOU are prepared to hack our existing ftp to accept URLs and
fetch unattended, I don't see what choice we have.  If you feel that
strongly about it, then I'll be expecting your patches to ftp sometime
in the next 72 hours.

					Jordan