From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 22:12:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E5F106566B for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 22:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86DD8FC17 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 22:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A03E5081A; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:11:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Jeremy Messenger In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:11:59 -0700 Message-ID: <15321.1336774319@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Subject: Re: yelp update ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:12:07 -0000 In message , you wrote: >> 2.31.1 >> 2.31.2 >> 2.31.3 >> 2.31.4 >> 2.31.5 >> 2.31.6 >> 2.31.7 >> >> 2.91.8 >> 2.91.9 <==== fixes the %u issue >> 2.91.10 >> 2.91.90 >> 2.91.91 >> 2.91.92 > >The odd number is a development version. Even number is a stable >version. Therefore, 2.30.2 is a latest version of 2.x. Ummm... OK. (In this case ``stability'' would seem to be in the eye of the beholder, because 2.30.2 has a clear and seriously debilitating glitch, but all the releases from 2.91.9 onward have that fixed.) >>>You should ask GNOME folks why they stopped update the 2.x version. >> >> I am guessing that they would probably say that it was because they moved >> on to work on 3.x. No? > >Yep. MATE is trying to fork GNOME 2 and keep it alive. > >http://mate-desktop.org/ Hummm... never heard of that before. But I just looked at the "About" page on that web site. Unfortunately, it doesn't answer the obvious question... Why fork? Why not just go with the flow and work with the other chaps who (it seems) are pushing ahead to GNOME 3.x? (Forgive me. I am entirely ignorant about any of this stuff. I really don't know any of the history or politics of anything even remotely connected to GNOME. I only know that, in general, forks are Bad, because they imply fracturing of a development community.) >> I understand your difficulty here. However I am inclined to ask if you >> have been laboring under this unfortunate impediment since circa Sept. 28 >> 2010. > >Who care about the date? It is a latest stable version. We finally got >this bug report in 2012! It took about one and half year for anyone to >find this bug. It shows that how many people click on the help? Well, the long gap between the bug's first existance and its first formal report is indeed rather surprising. But keep in mind that not everyone who sees a bug will make a formal report about it. Many folks who are new (or new-ish) to FreeBSD or to GNOME may be hesitant to file formal reports because either they think (incorrectly) that they must have done something wrong (e.g. during installation) or else they don't want to cause any ``trouble'' to/for the developers, or perhaps they are just (wrongly) intimidated by the mechanics of the PR filing process. I certainly would not assume that nobody had ever even noticed that Help didn't work before now (e.g. in gthumb, evince, braceros). It is, I think, a testament to the skill of the developers of these packages that their individual user interfaces are sufficiently intutive that people, including myself, can struggle along and make productive use of these things for quite some time even in the total absence of documentation. (I knew about the problem myself a couple of months ago, but was never motivated to file anything about it until just recently. I myself believed for awhile that the problem must have arisen from something that I had screwed up during installation.) >Thanks for offer. But sorry, I do not allow anyone to donate me now >until I can actually work on FreeBSD much more like what I did two >years ago. What you did last a few days have 'donated' to me, so >thanks for find bug and submit patch! You are more than welcome. Thank you for your service to the FreeBSD community. Even if you won't accept any from me, please do keep in mind those Genica brand ``mobile racks'' (removable drive holder thingies). I really have found them to be most useful. Certainly, this ``manual'' way of swapping out one's OS is arguably not as elegant as, say, Xen or other such things, but the upside is that as you are doing development work, you never have to wonder if the problem you are looking at is actually due to the code you are working on, or if it is maybe due to the code that is bridging the gap beteen the virtual handware and the real hardware. (Geeks.com was selling those things dirt cheap for awhile. I have a message to them pending, to see if they still stock them.) Regards, rfg