From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 13:29:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF3F106564A for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAFF8FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9QDj1f0031u4NiLA3RGBsD; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:16:11 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([98.248.41.155]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9RGA1f00D3LrwQ28hRGAsv; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:16:11 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 739BC9B427; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:16:10 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Willem Jan Withagen Message-ID: <20100921131610.GA58719@icarus.home.lan> References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <201009011902.06538.hselasky@c2i.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> <4C989989.4050408@icyb.net.ua> <4C98AC42.1040104@digiware.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C98AC42.1040104@digiware.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:21:12 +0000 Cc: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:29:22 -0000 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 02:59:46PM +0200, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > On 2010-09-21 13:39, {some mysterious person :-)} wrote: > >>The Project is ultimately about the users, right? There are early signs that > >>some old FreeBSD users get tired from those changes, those removals, lesser > >>POLA adherence, marketing-not-technical-stuff for time-not-feature-based > >>releases, not so stable -STABLE as it used to be, and so on, migrating to > >>other systems. And older users are more valuable to project than newer ones. > >>May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if decade-long > >>project is mostly ended, while those signs are still early and not a strong > >>tendency?.. Given this thread, I've mentioned earlier about 12 messages in > >>announce@ from 2002 with such public calls for volunteers - there are several > >>years already without these. Andriy wasn't the one who wrote this. In fact, I'm not sure who the quote actually came from because I never received the Email it came from, but I'm under the impression it's from Vadim. My mail spool: $ grep "Old Good Things" Mail/freebsd/freebsd-stable > May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if decade-long >> May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if decade-long >>> May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if decade-long >> May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if decade-long The first mention of it was in an Email from Andriy, sent to Vadim, with Andriy quoting someone words (the first paragraph shown above). Strangely I can't find the mail on the official FreeBSD pipermail lists either. I'm staying out of the main discussion, but I'm just wanting to point out that Andriy did not write the above quote. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc@parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |