From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 25 16:39:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07D016A401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3DA13C4A5 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A764E.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.118.78]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l0PGcvCt001673; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0PGcoSr049145; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0PGcoFC076854; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200701251638.l0PGcoFC076854@fire.jhs.private> To: "Mr. Jim Vaglia" From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:25 +0100." <8664avcjqa.fsf@dwp.des.no> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:38:50 +0100 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:39:01 -0000 Reference: > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:25 +0100 > Message-id: <8664avcjqa.fsf@dwp.des.no> Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= wrote: > "Julian H. Stacey" writes: > > One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, > > not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it > > for you. > > On the contrary, FreeBSD does not have and has never had a graphical > installer. Sysinstall is text-based and is rumored to work well with > screen readers. Depends what one means & understand by graphics. There was previous discussuion on topic of FreeBSD installer use by the blind many years back: a short while after Jordan gave us the nice colourful boxed (what I call graphical) installer, a blind person wrote in & asked if there was a plain text installer, his answer was no, get someone else to install. It'll be in webed mail archives. As the BSD installer is not a pixel X11 Xwindows graphics installer, just ascii strings with escape sequences for pcterm/ vt100 whatever, maybe modern blind equipment might cope with (ie ignore) sequences . The cursor does rather jump around during the install, whereas a clasical command line tool does not, so it may be harder to retain everything in human memory though. A near blind German girl (Linux user I think) told me in English long ago: - Braile transducers for the blind cost a fortune, - Did limited mapping of 1 line of 40 chars to a pixel map for fingers. - Braille varies completely between countries (ie far more than just umlauts), so hinders import competition to force price down, so even if Jim Vaglia has a device that copes, it may not be usable for others. A case report from Jim would be interesting, if he can try it, & report back, FreeBSD could document it to web site for next enquirer. Jim, if no luck with the FreeBSD installer, try NetNSD installer. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software